[smith] you teach at the school in santa fe where you got your mfa. you're not there all the time, but you're, like, doing a week a month? [orange] uh hmmm. [smith] is that right? what are you doing to bring along the next generation of tommy oranges, en looking for the next orling ? what do you see in these students an do you tell them or encourage them to do based on your own experience? [orange] i think onemff the benefits of thprogram, i mean a lot of it's just basic craft stuff, it's just teaching good writing. one of the benefits of having gone through the book experience is that i sort of understand and have access to, sort of like a gatekeeper, like you have access to the publishing world in ways and you can teach them what that whole process is like. but most of the work is just and doing the hard work that it takes to make a good book. [smith] i always think that it's hard and to teach somebody howhat it to be a good writer.book. you can talk to them about aspects of craft, but at the end of y, the story has to come from them and the desire