or i'm joined tonight by helen bell ford she's vice president of world resources institute climate economics program in washington d c ms now ford is good to have you on the program you write today excuse me in a piece in the financial times that carbon pricing is now mainstream and that it's thrive and you say to think otherwise would be lazy because of the high profile outliers those outliers there are countries such as the u.s. and china can carbon pricing can't it be a success if the 2 largest economies are not fully committed to. so interestingly actually both of those economies do have some form of carbon pricing in place at the moment we have $40.00 countries around the world and $36.00 states are provinces which have some form of carbon pricing in place now today or of how to put it in place they haven't scheduled that includes the whole economy in china in the u.s. of course it's been a very difficult issue at the federal level there's been a lot of discussions about carbon pricing bills here at the federal level the work of thing action there but where we are seeing action is at th

helen mountford of the world resources institute was at talks in madrid. are a number of issues and a critical point we have here is that the negotiators are not reflecting the negotiators are not reflecting the urgency of the science that we see, the science of climate change is more clear than ever that we need to act now and the calls from people on the street who asked for more action. the small world country, the vulnerable ones, the major emitters have largely been missing in action. china often says to the west, talking about big polluters, that you got rich, you have no right to stop developing countries from trying to get better lives for our people. how do you respond to that? the reality is that the trajectory we need to be on is zero missions by 2050 and we can only do that if all countries and all the world works together to do so. right now in a situation where everyone needs to ta ke situation where everyone needs to take action. in the paris agreement and convention there is an approach with common but differentiated responsibilities and th

when id was fake she had him out of the world resources institute and we also what she made all of those thoughts in the street the negotiations through most of the 2 weeks when at a snail's pace at the end it really ramped up when they tried to get a deal. what we're hearing in contrast from the science is that the urgency to tackle climate change is greater than her in addition to that we actually have better economics compared. when the peerce agreement was struck is cheaper for normal energy costs the fallen things are easier and cheaper to do and we have not just the use of people in the streets demanding action but also a lot of major business late so that's that's really a contrast to what we saw coming out of the negotiations where there was very little delivered on the paris rules are moving forward the one small glimmer of hope was that over the last 2 days and intense negotiations they did manage to get some tax which really. urged countries to come back next year with enhanced ambition recognizing the urgency and the difference we have today in terms of emissions reductions c

and for more analysis on the situation i'm joined now by helen announcement from the world resources institute in washington helen thanks for joining us you just came back from madrid what's your report card on cop 25. i think if you look at the negotiations overall they really failed to deliver what we were looking for what we were expecting i think both those on the streets and what the science on the other hand there were a few small glimmers that came through at the end. and do you get the feeling overall that there is a disconnect between what we're hearing from scientists and what the negotiators are willing to talk about. absolutely the negotiations through most of the 2 weeks when it is snail's pace i'm at the end it really ramped up and they tried to get a deal what we're hearing in contrast from the science is that there urgency the tackle climate change is greater than ever in addition to that we actually have better economics compared to when the peerce agreement was struck is cheaper renewal energy costs and fall and things are easier and cheaper to do and we have not just the use

about the rest of the world to talk about that i'm joined tonight by helen ford from the world resources institute in washington she was in madrid at that climate conference it's good to see you again so how bad was it at the conference it was pretty bleak i have to say the negotiators really did not come forward with the kind of agreement and action that we need to see at this time so there is a big disconnect between what was happening in the negotiation room which was really going at a snail's place pace which did not deliver and what we're actually seeing from the science the demands in terms of the urgency of climate action and also from people on the streets asking their governments to step up and take action so there is a huge disconnect there and sadly madrid did not deliver what we need a in how do you explain that disconnect b because we report about this almost daily now it can't be that people don't know what's going on how do you explain. i think to some extent the negotiators are really stuck in the past they're stuck in their world 510 years ago where they're trying to defy and you

helen mountford of the world resources institute spent time at talks in madrid.l, there's a number of issues and i think the critical point we have here is that the negotiators are not yet reflecting the urgency of the science that we see. the science of climate change is more clear than ever that we need to act now and the calls of people on the streets are asking for more action. the negotiators have come and we've got some that are really taking that approach, perticularly the smaller countries, smaller—medium countries, the vulnerable ones, but the major emitters have largely been missing in action. china often says to the west — we talk about big polluters — china there, it says to the west, you had your industrial revolution, back in the 19th century, you got rich, you have no right to stop us, the developing countries, from trying to get a better world, better lives for our people. how do you respond to that? well, the reality is the trajectory we need to be on is to go to net zero emissions by 2050 and we can only do that if all countries, all the world w

helen mountford is the vice president for climate and economics at world resources institute. joins us from washington. helen, why is the deadlock? there is a number of issues, and i think reticle pa rt a number of issues, and i think reticle part we have here is that the negotiators are not yet reflecting the urgency of the science that we see. the science of climate change is more clear than ever that we need to act now, and the calls of people on the streets who are asking for more action. the negotiators are common, we have got some that are really taking that approach, particularly the smaller countries, the vulnerable ones, but the major emitters have largely been missing in action. china often says to the west, we talk about big polluters, china there. they say, you had your industrial revolution backin you had your industrial revolution back in the 19 century stopping you got rich, you have no right to stop us, the developing countries, to try to get the lives for our people. how do you respond to that? the reality is, the trajectory we need to be honest to go to net z

she's vice president for climate and econics at the world resources institute, and she is just back fromadrid. welcome to the "newshour". >> thank you. >> reporter: i know this conference was nots thee-all and end-all climate conference, but the evidence is growing mor and more that climate change is a real and growing threat. there are tens of tousands of kids all over the world protesting our inaction, and, yet, world leaders just cannot seem to come to terms. can u just help us understand what happened in madrid? >> thank you very much. i think it's exactly as you say. there is a huge disconnect between what we are seeing on the ground with the kids, the protesters saying we need more claimant action. the science is clearer than ever, we need to stp and do more, and at happened in the negotiatn halls where, mostly, the negotiators are moving at a snail's pace, there's a lot of brinkmanship. we saw real leadership from some of the smaller andsi mediud economies, particularly those most vulnerable to climate impacts, they really stood up d and tried to push as haras possible to move for

summit that's all to end your life now senior fellow in the global climate program at the world resources institute previously he was a senior advisor to the u.s. special envoy on climate change that was during the obama administration with us on skype from arlington i believe you might have a class coming in so in so we'll get on with our interview what do you think could could be different at this. conference are highlighted greater there clearly many young people around the world of change the discussion about climate change does that make these climate conferences different. well i don't really think what makes that different is not that there are protests around the country and there always are i think it's great that civil society shows up and the the negotiators on the inside feel the pressure from the outside i think that's an important part of this process what's different of course is that over the last year almost 2 no thanks to both of them are going to others we're just seen an increase in in public interest in this issue an international negotiation this problem and on pressure on the

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resources available to the imf. so to say that the environment institutionsral has gone completely sour misses important facts. >> the people leading these institutions are getting things done. one issue the worldwill have to address and steve mood nation -- steven mnuchin brought up today is whether it should still be considered a developing country. is chinaury's view needs to graduate from this program. does china deserve the title of a developing country. the timing is interesting. >> i suspect maybe this is under discussion within the trade negotiations, but for sure there ,as been no doubt that china the world bank's operations in china have been aimed at alleviating poverty and dealing with poverty. whether china still qualifies for world bank assistance when they have all these other financial resources available to them remains problematic. in a short span of time that will be changed. romaine: when you look at the mechanisms comes the imf uses to deal with crises, particularly in latin america now, do you think those mechanisms are still up-to-date in no way that it allows these countries to deal with the crises without being overburdened with the demands? long said there is a general