ross: the reason we took unilateral action in different sectors, including with steel and aluminum, is we were getting no place in terms of cooperationm -- it is not our favorite we are very disappointed, frankly, that the european union has not put in much in the way of safeguards. as a failure to take concerted action, that is why chi net -- china is building more still capacity. if the e.u. had cooperated sooner, the world would have been saved a lot of grief. jonathan: is it just about steel ? if it is made in china 2025, some people would say china came out arrogantly and said they are going to dominate. it is pretty clear what they want to achieve. sec. ross: i don't think they have changed the behavior. they changed the language because they know it hit a raw nerve in the west. jonathan: how quickly would you like to see a change in behavior? sec. ross: we are already seeing it. the fact that china acknowledged technology transfers. that is the first time i believe there has been public recognition. they not only recognized, they agreed there was a problem and agreed to prohibit. jonathan: things are going on. pressure being a