otherwise, it's going to disisappear, anand that wououldy be a a true crimime. woman: scientists at the u.s. fish and wildlife laboratory in oregon hope forensics will one day help stop the importing of ilillegal lumumber. meanwnwhilen brazil's maranhao state, indigenous communities have formed cititizen patrols t to protect the forest from tree poachers. [indistinct chatter] announcer: "earth focus" is made possible in part by a grant from anne ray foundation, a margaret a. cargill philanthropy; the orange county community foundation; and the farvue foundation. announcer: now please join me in welcoming sally kohn and julie lythcott-haims. [cheering and applause] julie: well, hello, everybody. welcome to tonight's program. i'm julie lythcott-haims, as marissa said, author of "real american" and "how to raise an adult." and tonight, it is my pleasure to be here in conversation with sally kohn. sally comes from a life of activism and orgrganizing, and she's now a political commentator, currently on cnn and formerly on fox. which we are gonna talk about that. she'