. >> great to have you and reverend jim hopkins on the good to be here. >> some people know your churches and know where you are but i did not ever ask you your family background and some of your family, i know you have spouses and you have children so tell us, beginning with you dale. >> i'm married to reverend debby witherspoon, also a united methodist pastor and she is working on her doctorates of ministry. i have two sons, teenagers, wesley, a senior and graduating at the high school. a younger brother justice, who is a freshman at el cerrito. i have a brother and sister in the sacramento area. i'm a native san francisco sis can. >> wesley is in the audience. great to have you. >> and jim. >> karen and i, my i married nd years. we have three adult kids erin, a physical fair piz, kristen who is a registered nurse and ethan who is completing his program to be a journey man electrician in the electrical workers union. we have four grandsons, daschle, dayton, henry and hudson. and my pastor jim, my grandsons i'm hop pop. that is my identity. >> that is good. >> it is great to have you bot