andy greenberg spent three years reporting on the story. i happen to look up sand worm out of the curiosity on the internet. and what came up it is a fictional creature that appears in the dooms novel. i'm curious to hear this came from. the author of the machine kills secrets. he lives in brooklyn new york. we are so honored tonight. artificial intelligence and he writes for the wall street journal. thank you so much for having us here. it's really wonderful to be in a full-service bookstore with the great room to talk in. with the first book this machine i wrote about it. that story is going to say julian a song. it's a really fascinating book. the enabling technologies that allow wikileaks to happen. this leaking thing i don't know if it's good to catch on. it was kind of a low. i think the wiki leaks thing was overblown. and ends the next year. this is what i had written a book about. i think they just kept coming. we had raised the generation of post- millenials. they head in their dna to do leaking. we are one of the big stories in th

i think two of our panelists have affiliations with "wired" magazine and i think andy greenberg's book "sandworm" described very fittingly the specters of fancybears rampaging through cyberspace, sowing chaos and confusion. and i'm at a loss to see how the united states is going to respond to that threat. thank you. >> anyone want to weigh in? is your question along the lines of it seems like a hopeless situation, where do we begin? >> i think greenberg sets an example. he's gone very deep into the threat and has presented a very coherent timeline as to what's happened and where it might go. and i think that that's an excellent example for journalism in general. but it's very expensive. it's very time consuming. he spent years working on that project. who can afford it? >> okay. but your question is? >> well, who can afford it? >> okay. any responses? >> it is expensive. we invest in things we care about. if we decide we care about this, we'll spend money on it. >> yeah, and i also think that where the money gets spent matters too, that it's really important to have conversations speci