that was hilary meredith and john skipper.no longer be given visas to come and work here. karolina gerlich came to britain from poland 12 years ago to work in the care sector. she founded the national association of care and support workers and represents hundreds of members. what do you think about these changes? unfortunately the changes are not very good for the sector. the sector relies heavily in terms of living care and home care on immigrant workers and the biggest issue with the announcement is that ca re issue with the announcement is that care workers issue with the announcement is that ca re workers are issue with the announcement is that care workers are classified as low skilled and i have to say i am sure that most people will need social ca re that most people will need social care in their lives, and they would say that care workers most definitely are highly skilled and then the duties we have to undertake ona then the duties we have to undertake on a daily basis really require a lot of skill and knowledge to

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