happens if there is a conviction that is credible and confirmed in the case of the former cardinal mccarrick he has been defrocked he has been taken out of the college of cardinals and because of the public outcry that is what did it didn't know what now because now it started with an investigation by a church board in new york that stated that the allegations that came forward in 2018 for the 1st time that he abused not only seminaries were adult. but for the 1st time miners were credible and then bed was forwarded to the congregation for the doctrine of the faith that conducted the trial the trial found those allegations credible and he was defrocked immediately and you have a convicted sex offender in jail and still a cardinal is this really the image of the catholic church that you want to portray in 2090 as i said when when you had. said at the beginning i'm not happy at all about the situation and i hope that we will have clarity once the appeals court or the high court will identical it defined what will be the penalty or if there is any you've got enough clarity to defrock him if he

i know doctor mccarrick and i'm sorry if i mispronounce churning but you had mentioned like it's a lot of that is done over the internet now, but how do we go out there and how do we between the troops. is there a way to train them and recognized when they are being recruited, to the specific groups, and how do we prevent that? >> well i think that's a really interesting question. i think we warn our military personnel about a number of different dangerous and a number of different issues, including those online. the services all have the social media policies that one them about scams, that won them all but also it's of dangerous that they might encounter online. it's possible similarly to warn them to look for some of the signs that they may be being targeted by an extremist group that is trying to provide them with all false narratives, that is trying to indoctrinate them, that is trying to radicalize them. i think there are steps that we could do to make the troops more aware that this is one of the things out there that people might try to do. >> i would love to hear from the othe

whether this happened, so you go forward as the church has finally done in the case of cardinal mccarrick to basically defrock him and sent him out to someplace in kansas. >> finally. >> i agree. i think it took forever. but it's been true forever but we have denigrated women, we've denigrated their complaints and i think it is wrong and i think we have to change it. the point where we say everybody is guilty simply because one person accused them of something. you need to investigate it and find out. look at roger ailes. finally, the dam broke. i don't know how many of you have seen the movie, finally the dam broke and fox conducted an investigation, and he was clearly guilty. there was no criminal process. there wasn't even civil process over there have been a series of lawsuits settled. and he was fired. i think that was the right thing to do. so i would not rollback this movement, i would continue to insist that people ought to be treated in a responsible way that one accusation, that unsubstantiated, does not prove a whole case against somebody. >> thank you. professor dershowitz. mr

and so you go forward either as the church has finally done, for example, in the case of cardinal mccarrick, to basically defrock them out and send them out to some place in kansas. >> finally. >> finally. i agree. i think it took forever. but it is true forever, we have denigrated women, we have denigrated their complaint, and i think it's wrong, and i think we have to change it, we can't get though to the point where we say everybody is guilty, simply because one person accused them of something. you need to investigate it. you need to find out. but look at roger ales. i mean there were, finally the dam broke, i don't know how many of you have seen the movie but finally the dam broke and fox conducted and investigation, and he was clearly guilty, there was no criminal process, there wasn't even civil process, although there have been a series of lawsuits settled, and he was fired, and i think that was the right thing to do. so i would not roll back this movement. i would continue to insist that people ought to be treated in a responsible way that one accusation that unsubstantiated does n