and seeing as social distancing is becoming the new norm — harvard business review carries a very usefuleport on how to avoid hand shaking. so let's begin. with me is mark davies — ceo of strategy consultancy, camberton. will come to that in the moment. the daily telegraph, many more families are going to lose loved ones. this is the morning from borisjohnson yesterday, very stark and distressing for many people. unsurprisingly, it's what taken headline space onjust unsurprisingly, it's what taken headline space on just about every paper this morning with the exception of the son which has cough and you're off. everyone else is wrong with this. it was a very sober press conference. really not the borisjohnson were used to sing at all. he is having a good crisis so far because people are surprised by the measured approach he has been taking. people are surprised by my minister's statement like —— statesmanlike and sombre handling of the press conference. given president crump —— president trump came under criticism, it is in stark contrast however the measures that have been introduced in

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that's according to an expert who explained to the harvard business review this is quote the loss ofoll. the loss of connection. we are grieving collectively. we are not used to this kind of collective grief in the air, end quote. we will survive this. but we're going to need some help. joining me now is david kesler. he's the founder of the website grief.com. he's the author of "finding meaning, the sixth stage of grief." david, thank you for doing this. >> thank you. >> it's an important conversation. there are people who have called and told me they're feeling anxiety and my response is you should. this is what anxiety was built for. this was what fear was built for. we are given these emotions to deal with the challenges in our life and to some degree that is what grief is for too, right? that's how we emotionally confront things like this where normalcy is challenged. >> exactly. you know, grief is change. and it's a change we didn't want. and this is a change we didn't want. we're used to turning on our tvs and seeing images of sporting games and entertainment. we're not used t

harvard business review put out a piece taking a look at the lessons learned from italy the things that they had done wrong, and the authors made the point that in order to really be effective, you have to take some early and very extreme measures and as a result if you do that properly, it really does lower the number of cases making it work do we run that risk that if this looks like it's working, there's going to be a call to openup things earlier to get back to business as usual? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. you know, you saw this in the financial crisis back in 2008. the obama administration sort of struggled with this idea of, you know, if you succeed and your bailouts and your huge investment here works, then it looks like nothing really went wrong and, therefore, you don't get any credit for avoiding something that was potentially much more disastrous politics doesn't work that way on the avoidance of a negative you don't get sort of political points going into the next election for that because the negative thing never happened. the same kind of dynamic could play out here ex

harvard law review. is that true? justice ginsburg: so far. [laughter] david: and you have a son that's in the music business?urg: james makes exquisite compact discs. james grew up with a passion for music but no talent as a performer. [laughter] so when he went to the university of chicago, he was a classical disc jockey at the student radio station. then in the year he was dropping in and out of law school, he was also making recordings. one day he told us he liked what he was doing much more than his law classes. so we said fine. that's what you want to do. and today, he labeled a cd, and his recordings are gems. david: do you have any grandchildren? justice ginsburg: i have four grandchildren, two step grandchildren, and one great grandchild. [applause] david: ok, and do your grandchildren call you rbg? or what do they call you? justice ginsburg: i am a jewish grandmother, so i am called "bubbe." david: ok. [laughter] ♪ in the harvard law review and columbia law review, you were flooded with job offers from the major law firms. justice ginsburg: there wasn't a single firm in the entire city of new york t