this doctor is not part of the university of minnesota trial but he's been taking the drug himself. >tremely high-risk. i am taking hydroxychloroquine. >> he's also prescribing it to hundreds of his patients with suspected covid-19 cases. >> what i found was there was zero deaths. there were zero intubations, and i only had four hospitalizations. >> but there are possible dangers including serious heart problems. the mayo clinic issued a warning this week that doctors need to determine which patients are at risk arrythmia. >> we wanted to bring attention to is the issue of drug induced sudden cardiac death. >> but the university of minnesota researchers say they hope to know soon if the drugs work. >> you're talking months, not years. >> if everything goes according to plan, i'm talking months, not years. >> a lot of similar work going on in the bay area. san jose mayor sam liccardo is praising the initiative san jose strong. donations already stand at $14 million. >> it is here in silicon valley where we can confront a crisis with creativity and collaboration, and they have shown tha

from a lot of different sources right now, but as it stands right now, i understand that the university of minnesota is actively enrolling participants who fit this criteria. they would be individuals -- this would be not for treatment but something called post exposure prophylaxis who have high or moderate exposure within the last three days. and their plan is to fedex the medicine overnight to start on day four the religionial being the average incubation period is about 5 1/2 days. remember, we always talk about 2 to 14 days. and they say this is open to anyone in the u.s. the intervention would be hydroxychloroquine for five days. this is for -- this would be enrollment in a clinical trial. just a word on hydroxychloroquine because i find it interesting as a rheumatologist. all our patients out there the whole country of rheumatologists is probably very excited about this as to why this would work. yes, we use it in lupis and rheumatoid arthritis. we never used it because it was an anti-malarial. it had different pathways of inflammation it potentially affected which benefits our diseases. the i

final question doctor, about your institution there university of minnesota. extraordinary institution, you have a colleagues that invented a new type of ventilator that costs just 150 to make, it is a pretty ugly thing, but if if saves lives what the heck. >> one of your young guys in the cardioiology came up with this idea, goal was to get it as inex inevensive as possible -- inexpensive as possible they are working on prototypes, this is a real innovation. david: this shows you what americans can do, dr. shacker, we appreciate what you are doing. >> thank you. david: coming up next could president trump to take podium any moment for his daily coronavirus task force briefing, we will have it for you. >> justice department catching heat for trying to gain new emergency powers during the coronavirus pandemic, now they say there was some confusion, we ask judicial washington's tom ask judicial washington's tom fitton about my name is jonatan, and i work for verizon. i totally get how important it is to stay connected. we're connecting with people, we're offering

the 1500-person trial, led by the university of minnesota, led to see ifalia treatments would work. s talk to the dean of university of minnesota's study.ng theol, dr. tolar, tell us what you are doing. dr. tolar: it is ondeeper reflecf confidence that we have in, scien my thoughts go to my spanish and italian friends and colleagues. what we have elected to do is to go in front of the way and try to minimize theac i the infection has on people that have already been expos to it, so rather than just sup trt t patient we have, we wanted to design a way how to treat them and how to minimize the effect of the infection, and in that effort, there have been studies in laboratories of others that have been the first critical -- clinical studies in china and in korea, and what we haveo been able to operationalize this, make it logistically possible, and make it into a trial that house now more than 150 clays -- cases, so what this is is a hydroxychloroquine, and its known to mt physicians worldwide. also is ud in some of the autoimmune disorders, likeus or arthritis, so we uite a good unders

. >> reporter: that's how long it took the university of minnesota to get its trial approved, a processhat usually takes months dr. kim shacker who studie infectious diseases there is trying to determine whether the common anti-malaria drug hydroxy chloroquine might actually slow covid-19 >> so the question we're asking is if you take hydroxychloroquine after exposure will that prevent you from getting infected >> reporter: he's looking for 1,500 patients to participate in the trial. in just days hundreds signed up. >> an interim analysis is likely to occur in the next several weeks. it will tell us with certainty if this drug makes a difference >> reporter: the malaria drug taken i pill form essentially defends red-blood cells against a parasite transmitted by mosquito bites. new york dr. zev zelinko is not part of th minnesota trial but he's been taking the drug himself >> i am taking hydroxychloroquine >> reporter: he's also prescribing it to hundreds of his patients suspected of having covid-19. >> what i found was there were zero deaths, there were zero intubations, and i only had

a doctor at the university of minnesota built his own version of a ventilator for just $150 in parts.ig breeding for an hour and gives hope that low-cost ventilators can be mass-produced. the university of minnesota has issued rapid response grants to test solutions and trails to beat the coronavirus. the university of minnesota is also testing the malaria drug showing promise nationwide. tucker. >> tucker: matt finn for us in chicago tonight. thanks so much. well, across america, the fear of coronavirus which is of course legitimate, is being exacerbated by the fear that society could be breaking down which unfortunately is also legitimate. why do people for this? because local governments are encouraging it. during a time in which all americans are stockpiling supplies, a viral video in san francisco shows two people frequently looting a walgreens. as they do it in full view on camera, nobody does anything to stop them which tells you something bad about where our society is right now. police are stepping back criminal enforcement all over the country and the results, you can see it

not part of the university of minnesota trial, but this man has been taking the drug himself. >> i'm tremely high risk. i am taking hydroxychloroquine. >> reporter: he's prescribing it to hundreds of his patients with suspected covid-19 cases. >> what i found was there were zero deaths, there were zero intubations and i only had four hospitalizations. >> reporter: there are possible dangers including serious heart problems. a warning that doctors need to determine which patients are at risk to potentially fatal arrhythmia. >> we wanted to bring attention to the issue of drug induced sudden cardiac deaths. >> reporter: researchers hope to know soon if the drugs work. you're talking months not years? >> if everything goes according to plan. >> reporter: terry mcsweeney, nbc bay area news. >> stay up to date with the very latest on the coronavirus buy following our live blog. the very latest headlines all in one place on nbcbayarea.com at the very top of our home page. it is 7:42. still ahead on "today in the bay," many of us are working from home and so, too, is john lynch. how the 49er

untouchable w c c o or me up that morning in their little political reporter asked crosses yeah the university of minnesota of the valley lives around the block for young people registering to vote on a watch and day that's the 1st time i said may god may have done that because that was the missing piece that i didn't know the whole time or are they going to show off i've never seen before or since the initial returns came in with you had 37 percent can you never move i've never seen anything like this yes all night it was 37 percent and coleman was trailing and he made a little bit of a movie at one point and i thought well that's the end of it now call him in the millions but it never happened he will never get that it was interesting because when the 1st very returns came in the very 1st it was right in the order humphrey coleman money the 2nd returns came in humphrey ventura coleman i moved up to 2nd and then i think it was at what 5 percent to 7 percent was when i took the lead was that about because they had a 3 percent to 5 and a stab at that they came in with a missionary and i went from why i aske

send a prescription to the farm pharmacy. >> two things, you mentioned that study out of the university of minnesotago to twitter at unmmedschool. you'll find the information there. quick question, perhaps a limitation of telemedicine. one of our viewers mentioned they worked in telemedicine taking the calls from patients that wanted to schedule. the problem i'm hearing over and over people in an area doing drive dri drive-up testing have no way of getting the test. that might not close one of the key gaps, just getting tested. >> yeah. i know. and i see those as kind of two separate things. i mean, the purpose of telemedicine is to really limit the -- really to socially distance, even doctors from their patients. but i think more on the patient'side as a patient advocacy move, a lot of our patients are older and have those underlying medical conditions we talk about, are immuneo compromised and travel into an urban area to see their doctor maybe just to get a blood test. can they have a conversation over the phone instead using telemedicine and perhaps do labs locally so they don't have to do that

the university of minnesota is looking at that for people after being exposed to the virus if they have a reduction of symptoms or prevent their symptoms. another interesting one i think the audience will appreciate is a common blood pressure medicine. they are looking at that as a means to lower the chances of a severe aspect of multiorgan failure or prevent these things, there's therapeutics that our company has ramped up to. it was there for anti-viral treatments. ebola and others. that's approved for compassionet use and in clinical trials for people that meet the criteria. these are just a few examples. >> thanks for your time tonight. we appreciate it. >>> many blood banks are having shortages, in the south bay the mayor teamed up with the red cross to raise awareness to the need for blood donations, the mayor made a donation at the red cross blood donation center. red cross is checking the temperatures of all cone ors before they give blood. >>> limiting parks. the park closed off vehicle access on the roads and parking lots including bear valley, north beach, sought beach and th

there are reports that the drug works, but a disease specialist at the university of minnesota hopes r the questions as to whether it's truly effective. >> the data in humans is actually pretty limited, and there's a lot of stories about oh, i got this and got better. there's a little data out of france that maybe it helped, but is there actually any clinical benefit to people, that's really not known. >> dr. david bolware is looking for bay area volunteers that may have early symptoms of covid-19 or were exposed to someone who tested positive the. he's asking volunteers to contact him at the e-mail on your screen. >>> hold on to your sweet together. tonight san francisco's famous see's candy is putting a pause on production. the company says it will no longer be making or shipping any candy for the safety of employees and customers. they've only had to shut down production once before, and that was in world war ii. >>> another sign of times. i tell you what, how about baking this weekend? you'll be inside and raining. >> it will be cool, so you can have the oven on without heating ev

. >> reporter: the university of minnesota is launching a trial this week to see if the anti- malaria drugs can be used not just to treat coronavirus in sick patients, but actually prevent it in people who have been exposed but are not yet ill. >> there's some data to suggest that if you're taking hydroxychloroquine and you're exposed to the virus, that the infection won't take hold. and that's the trial that we're doing. we want to see if that drug can prevent the infection from occurring. >> reporter: there are nearly 100 trials for treatments and vaccines underway around the world. here in the u.s., three people in seattle have been injected with an experimental vaccine, but a widely available version is not expected for at least a year. now, these efforts to treat coronavirus with existing drugs is considered a stopgap measure for the next three to six months, and then they're hoping they can refine other treatments. norah. >> o'donnell: ben tracy, thank you. what has health professionals so worried about the coronavirus is there is no specific medicine to treat or prevent covid-1

the university of minnesota's medical school testing the blood pressure drug to treat the wuhan virusthey say the results of the early tests are likely in weeks, not months. the virus killed 176 americans, infected more than 13,000. worldwide 242,000 people contracted the virus. nearly 5,000 people have died as a -- nearly 10,000 people have died as a result. 3,405 dead in italy, 3,249 in china. senate republicans releasing phase three of the wuhan relief package. among the proposals the gop package includes $300 billion for small business we leaf. direct cash payments of $1, 200 making under $75,000 a year. the plan would also waive the 10% penalty for withdrawals of $100,000 from qualified retirement accounts. my next guest recently completed his self-quarantine with a clean bill of health. joining me, dog collins, running for the senate in the great state of the georgia. you emerged healthy, thank goodness. your thoughts about what we are seeing, two additional congressmen who have tested positive, your thoughts. >> what we are seeing, lou, everybody needs to take this seriously an

from there, my dad went to a committee college and then the university of minnesota.came a writer and a journalist. he covered the vikings. if you want to know something about resilience, he once wrote a book that is sadly still thevant today, called "will minnesota vikings ever win the super bowl?" my mom grew up in milwaukee. she wanted to be a teacher. she came to minnesota, taught second grade until she was 70 years old. i stand before you today, north carolinians, i stand before you today as a granddaughter of an iron or minor, as a daughter of a teacher and newspaperman, as the first woman elected to the u.s. senate by the state of and a candidate for president of the united states. [applause] sen. klobuchar: that is because we live in a country of shared dreams. no matter where you come from, who you know, or what you look like or the color of your skin, or how much money you have, or where you worship or who you love that you can make it in united states of america. i have come back so many times and defied expectations. i have a lot of time to think about wha

from there, my dad went to community college and then the university of minnesota.came a writer and a journalist, he covered the vikings if you want to know something about --, he wrote a book that sadly still relevant today called will them on it -- called will this minnesota vikings when a super bowl? [laughter] sen. klobuchar: my mom grew up in milwaukee, she wanted to be a teacher. she came to minnesota and taught second grade until she was 70 years old. today,and before you north carolinians, i stand before you today is the granddaughter of an iron or minor, as the daughter of a teacher in a newspaperman. as the first woman elected to the u.s. senate from the state of minnesota and a candidate for president of the united states. [applause] sen. klobuchar: that is because we live in a country of shared dreams, so no matter where you come from or who you know or what you look like or the color of your skin or how much or where you worship or where you're from that you can make it in the united states of america. times come back so many and defined expectations. i

researchers at the university of minnesota are studying the brains of addicts to try and understand whyty has mri technology that's so precise it's paving the way for ground breaking therapies. today, they're taking a closer look at the brain of an addict with 28 years of sobriety. mine. >> the center has some of the highest field strength magnets in the world. we do cutting edge research of mapping out the connection between different brain regions. >> am i going in the room that says danger? >> you are. exactly. >> fantastic. >> i'm going to need the set up. >> we will have you lay down here. >> you can have your eyes open or closed, whatever you are most comfortable with. >> okay. and we're ready to run the very first scan. are you ready to go? >> good to go. >> these high resolution scans are able to capture brain wiring in graphic detail. >> all right. go ahead and sit up. all right. andrew. let's take a look at your brain. just looking through projections of your brain. there is your eyeballs in the front of your brain. >> where is the giant blue nodule that says that anything tha

story, now they are involved in clinical trials around the world which i'm very happy about, university of minnesota is testing and studying this drug, university of washington is giving six patients and what it looks like it's coming out about this drug is it works better if it is used early in the process before the coronavirus covid-19 really takes on steam. so that's what i am looking at in regards to when i would consider using it. i also as a clinician would consider using it under the right circumstances. >> tucker: so i wish we had more time but obviously you'll be back as you are, we are going to have some data on this drug was soon it sounds like it's being used extensively in washington state. >> a lot of early evidence looks good. thank you, tucker. >> tucker: that is good news, which we need. here are some more good news, thousands of businesses are responding to coronavirus by firing employees. one of the saddest things to happen in our country right now. but one pizza shop owner in new jersey has instead taking out a loan, personal line of credit to keep paying his employees. we want

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michael holmes at the university of minnesota. doctor, thank you so much for joining us. also, we have ilene sullivan. she's the president of the american academy of nursing and the dean of the college of nursing at nyu. dr. oscar holmes, you have been warning for at least a decade that the u.s. was not prepared for a pandemic. when you see this report, you know this was an exercise that had been done and reviewed teal demonstrations that we have seen. >> first of all, i wrote about the first time in 2005 in the journal of medicine and foreign affairs that we are not prepared for the next pandemic. we were better prepared back then than we are today. a flu virus in this case but acting the same way. it is read script by script and what's happening right now. we knew this and we had warning, as a world we neglected to prepare. >> if i can ask you doctor, why is the u.s. less prepared now than in 2005? >> in 2005, we had much greater medical capacity to respond, we had more beds and more care for vision, capability than we do now. the other thing that happened was in 2005, w

a specialist at the university of minnesota hopes to answer the question once and for all. >> the data is pretty limited, there are stories, and a little bit of data out of france, about some people who tolerate the medicine well, but are there any clinical benefits? it's really not known. >> he is looking for bay area volunteers who might have early symptoms of covid-19, or were exposed to somebody who did test positive. you can contact him at the email on your screen.>>> meanwhile, coronavirus tests are yielding faster results, the fda approved this test kit, it can get results in less than 15 minutes, faster than any other we have seen. it weighs about seven pounds, the maker expects to deliver 50,000 tests per day, beginning next week.>>> google is donating more than $800 million as part of its coronavirus response. most of the donations are in the form of free advertising, the tech company says it is giving the world health organization and global government agencies $250 million in ad grants to share information on how to battle the spread of the virus. google also says it's work

reporter: and it was those calls for help that prompted a pair of medical students at the university of minnesotaer: so they took to twitter, offering free childcare to hospital workers across the twin cities. >> a lot of the people who are at the front lines working are our mentors, role models and community leaders. and we wanted to be there for them and say, hey, we see you. and we love you and want to support you. >> reporter: in only 48 hours, they had 150 providers requesting care. and a cosmetical student stepping in to fill those shifts. >> you've got those who have said without this, i won't be able to show up to work. >> reporter: proving even in times of social distancing, there are people willing to step in. >>> we're going to defeat the invisible enemy. i think we're gonna do it even faster than we thought. >> president trumped if called the fight against coronavirus war. and he said that we need to fight it by boosting production and critical medical supplies. all of this coming on the same day that napa county joined six other bay area counties in issuing a stay-at-home order. >> p

the university of minnesota is running the study along with universities in canada. to send pills to 1,500 people who might have been exposed to coronavirus like him. the subjects who get hydroxy chloroquine are less likely to get the coronavirus than the people with the placebo. you have been at the bedside of patients with coronavirus. >> i have. i've taken care of about 15 patients so far. >> even though he's careful. do you ever get scared working with these patients for your own health? >> yeah. i think we are always concerned when we take care of patients with infectious diseases we might be putting ourselves at risk. >> reporter: president trump has been enthusiastic about hydroxy chloroquine. >> it's shown very encouraging. very, very encouraging early results. i think it's going to be great. >> reporter: doctors say, not so fast. the president seems pretty confident it will help patients. do you think it will in. >> you know, i'm not sure. i think we really need to study it to understand what role it's going to play. so while there's hope that it might work,

and you saw the university of minnesota doctor that came up with a homegrown ventilator system. a lot of ingenuity and a lot of people around the country are going to do everything they can to pitch in to help everybody. >> maybe making a little bit of a dent but the volume and need is so great. senator scott, what's your reaction to president trump saying a short-term quarantine could be enacted in new york while florida imposes its own restrictions? of course new york governor andrew cuomo was asked about this whole idea of quarantining. he said he didn't have that discussion with the president but what is your thought about the idea of it for city and nearby jurisdictions? >> a couple of weeks ago, i put out a 30-day plan and part of it was let's shut down air travel, domestic and international and enforce quarantines. let's make sure that if you have been tested positive or you are around somebody, you have to quarantine yourself. we've got to stop this. and then all of us, if we can be home, let's be home. and, of course, we've got to continue -- >> but for it to be mandated

osterholm, professor and director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. also happens to be co-author of the recent book "deadliest enemy: our war against killer germs," which he somehow knew how to write before this pandemic arrived. doc, you and i spoke just seems like it was a couple years ago. it was st. patrick's day. during our coverage of super tuesday edition 3. you said you estimated we'd still be at this, dealing with it by autumn. have you seen anything, heard anything to change that prognostication? >> i have not. at the time i mentioned to you that while a number of people in washington were treating this like a washington, d.c. blizzard, a couple of days and we'd be out of it. and i said at the time this was going to be a coronavirus winter, we were just in the first weeks of the season, nothing has changed at all. what happened is the enormity of just how big the problem is now makes people really find it difficult to understand how it could get worse. but it's going to. and it will continue for the weeks and months ahead. >> i promise to n

end of epidemics" and the director of the centers for disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. he's the author of "deadliest enemy, our war against killer germs." dr. quick, what was your reaction to july and august as the possible first turning in the right direction here? >> it depends on what we do now. i mean, we have to -- we have the chance to slow this down as we say, flatten the curve as korea has done and china has done, get down to zero cases but we got to move quickly and aggressively and we won't be able to know when it's going to start coming down until it hits that point. it depends on what we do, what the government does and what the virus does. >> in your view, dr. quick, what do we have to do in order to get that to the point where it would turn in july or august? >> well, first of all, we do need one plan, one team. this does have to be a whole as society, whole a country effort. you cannot fight a virus that moves around the country with scattered teams and scattered plans. we tried that in 1918 when there was no plan and a four fold difference among the mor

michael osterholm from the university of minnesota joins us tonight.east turned out to be a very, very significant corona outbreak, indeed now, pandemic. and a major crackdown on one of the world's deadliest drug cartels. cartel expert jason jones will join us to take that up. no president before, before donald trump has taken on the cartels. we'll tell you the latest. michael pillsbury, bill lee, sidney powell joins us tonight. we hope you join us for the top of the hour what promises to be a terrific 60 minutes of insight and news. please join us. we'll see you then. elizabeth: thank you, lou. good to see you. lou dobbs there. we have a whole lot more show coming up. stay right there. wherever we want to go, autosave your way there with chase. chase. make more of what's yours. i come face to face with a lot of behinds. so i know there's a big need for gas-x maximum strength. it works fast. relieving pressure, bloating, and discomfort before you know it. so no one needs to know you've got gas. gas-x .. ♪ ♪ wherever we want to go, autosave your way the

michael osterhome, research and policy at the university of minnesota. and, doctor, i've been looking forward to speaking to you. i saw an interview you gave a short time ago on joe rogan, talking about what the data shows you, not just data from other countries, but what we know about this disease, this virus and how it spreads. you described the u.s. being just the beginning here. and you described models that show that over time perhaps as there have been multiple waves of this that many millions of americans could be infected. based on the data you're seeing so far in this country, do you still believe that to be the case, that's what the kind of extensive spread the country needs to prepare for. >> well, thank you very much for having me today, jim. first of all, that interview with joe rogan was several weeks ago. i can talk about that i said now and what is happening now. just to put perspective on this, we knew in january this would be a worldwide pandemic. the first week of february we said it would take a month before cases started showing up a

there is a terrific study out by aaron sojourner, terrific labor economist at the university of minnesotayment claims number we'll get tomorrow morning will be 3.4 million. that would, by far, by a factor of five, be the largest number of unemployment claims ever filed in a week. it is a 1200% increase over.prior weover the prior week. that's a frightening number. i fear those numbers are going to continue for several more weeks, maybe not quite that high, a little lower. but i think we're going to see some bad news about unemployment. that's why getting this stimulus package out is critically important. >> and, you know, look, president trump said you can't let the cure kill the patient. i think we all understand that metaphor. he is engaging in, what, medical experts say some wishful thinking about getting people back by easter. how long do you think we're going to be in this situation? >> well, the worst thing we can do is to set an arbitrary deadline and send a bunch of people out into a virus environment, a pandemic environment where we really don't know how to protect them. and that

it is currently or should say university of minnesota is enrolling a clinical trial to use in individuals and health care workers who are exposed for a five-day course. this led to the really national crisis in terms of hydroxyohloroquine availability because people rushing out to be prescribed the medicine. at the risk of, you know, limiting the availability to patients whose disease and lives depend on it. there's been as far as i can see, novartis has pledged to donate millions of tablets and manufacturers have done the same. the problem to your point was that the president, i think, falsely first stated it was fda approved for it. it is not. it is repurposed indication. not fda to treat coronavirus. as dr. fauci made clear that we would assume it could be effective. we would need to do the clinical trials to establish that before widespread use for the indication. >> kimberly, let's talk about what is going on in washington. they are trying to come together on a stimulus bill. i'm speaking to a number of lawmakers in the next hour to figure out where we are. you written an article abo

michael osterholm is director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota now have conclusive evidence that this disease is also being transmitted through asymptomatic carriers are people who show no symptoms and try to stop that is a transmission is like trying to stop the wind and this study which has yet to be peer reviewed. >>founded in singapore and in t engine, a city in china infection was transmitted about 2 to 3 days before symptom onset and that makes the outbreak much more difficult to control honestly with this kind of transmission we're never going to stop it. >>what we've asked are able to do this slowdown, none of the experts cnn spoke to could say exactly what percentage of people are getting infected with the virus by people who don't have symptoms. >>cnn reached out to secretary azar in the cdc but did not receive responses. on saturday doctor deborah birx the coordinator of the white house coronavirus response taskforce sent a somewhat different message suggesting that people under age 20 could possibly be spreading the virus without havi

michael osterholm, the director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesotain the "washington post" today, national lockdown is no cure. thank you for joining us. in your article you write that rather than shutting down the entire country like italy or china, the u.s. should consider, in your words, letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating and run society while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves. the question is this, wouldn't that approach potentially put more lives at risk? >> you know, at the end of the day, wolf, all of us are at risk for what may be many months to come, even now in china, singapore, korea, we're already seeing as restrictions are lifted, the efforts to limit any kind of human contact, we're starting to see a resurgence in cases. so, what we know is that this will likely continue to burn through the population for another 12, 18 months or until we get a vaccine. so we need to look at dealing with the surges in new york, seattle. those are

epidemiologist is the director of the centers for disease and policy at the university of minnesota.usive evidence that this disease is being transmitted through asymptomatic carriers or people with no symptoms and trying to stop transmission is like trying to stop the wind. >> this study, which has yet to be peer reviewed found in singapore and a city in china infection was transmitted about two to three days before symptom onset. that makes the outbreak much more difficult to control. >> honestly, with this kind of transmission, we're never going to stop it. what we best are able to do is slow it down. >> none of the experts cnn spoke to could say what percentage of people are getting infected about the virus for people without sim tomts. cnn reached out of to secretary azar of the cdc but did not receive responses. dr. debra burke, director of the task force september a somewhat different message suggesting that people underage 20 could possibly be spreading the virus without having any symptoms. >> until you really understand how many people are a ssymptomac and passing the virus

epidemiologist michaeosteolm is director of the center foinfectious disease research and licy at the university of minnesota. >>we now have conclusive evidence that this disease is also being transmied through asymptomatic carriers are pele who show no symptoms and try to stop that of a transmission is like trying to stop the nd and this study which has yet tbe peer reviewed. >>founded in singapore and in t engine a city in china infection was ansmitted about 2 to3 days before symptom onset and thatmakes the outbreak much more difficult to control honestly with this kind of transmissn wee never going to stop it. >>wve ask are able to do it's slow it down. none of the experts cnn spoke to could say exactly what percentage of people are getting infected with the virus by people who don't have symptoms. >>cnn reached out to secretary azar in the cdc but did not receive responses. on saturday doctor deborabirx the coordinator of the whit house coronavirus response taskforce sena somewt different message suggesting that people under age 20 could possibly be spreading the virus without havinany symptoms. and inte

in the last segment, however, we were talking with michael osterholm from the university of minnesotaasically saying his expectation is those countries are going to try this, they're going to try returning to normal and it's all going to happen again. what person is going to get it, it's going to spread, spread just as easily has it has been here for the last couple of weeks. he's basically saying to really limit this, it's going to take social distancing until there is a vaccine. which is a year, year and a half, maybe more away. do you share that view? >> first things first, i think in this country to get to where china and south korea are now in terms of declining cases, we need to focus on three things, testing, social distancing and rapidly deploying critical medical material and personal protective equipment to the front line since we know this health care surge is coming. and now those countries are in fact seeing a decline. i think we're going to have to wait and see, as they relax, open up businesses, open up entertainment, will the cases go -- >> what is your sense of it tho

mike osterhome with the university of minnesota says we need at least two weeks' more data to really t a sense of how much testing is being done, the workload there the numbers could be skewed because of how much they're able to process bill henich at harvard saying we need four weeks to see an impact from the start of lockdowns. for italy, they began those regional lockdowns until the end of february. it wasn't until march 8th and 9th that they started to lock down the rest of the country we have a great graphic here build by our data guru that shows the first 30 days -- first 100 days so what does the trajectory look like we want to be getting to those horizontal lines that you see for south korea, correa, china unfortunately, the u.s. is in the orange we are in the steepest trajectory for our first 30 days right now. but those numbers you heard from sue, that could be along the same trajectory as four weeks f from the lockdown to seeing a flattening of the comfortable. >> meg, appreciate it very much. in the meantime, the number of u.s. cases continues to grow, as meg pointed out t

host: we have one last clip of the chief justice, 2018 university of minnesota law school.e hits on the themes you discuss. let's watch. >> the court has from time to time erred, and erred greatly. but when it has, it is because the court yielded to pressure. we need to know at each step we that we are in this together. there is a concrete expression of that collegiality in a tradition at the court that has prevailed for over a century. before we go onto the bench to hear argument in a case, and before we go into the conference room to discuss a case, we pause for a moment and shake each other's hands. it is a small thing, perhaps. but it is a repeated reminder that, as our newest colleague put it, we do not sit on opposite sides of an aisle. we do not caucus in separate rooms. we do not serve one party or one interest. we serve one nation. host: hitting on the themes you have talked about throughout the hour. but the reality is that appointments to the supreme court are very partisan these days. the atmosphere we saw around the last two appointments, especially the kavanau

. >> doctor from the university of >> doctor from the university of minnesota is one of the first fdarials of hydroxychloroquine. >> first trial looking at preventing the disease and people who have high-risk exposure the second trial is looking at people who once they develop symptoms, early symptoms, can get preemptive therapy early in the treatment. we're hopeful to have it in a matter of weeks and not months. >> other drugs are on the table too, including the unapproved antiviral drug remdesivir. unsuccessful at treating ebola but now in clinical trials for covid-19. >> chris got the drug when he was in the hospital. >> i got on that three or four days later -- 48 hours i felt a lot better. >> promising leads while pharmaceutical companies try for the ultimate goal, a vaccine one even started with human trials. >> the experience was very similar to getting the flu shot. my arm is even less sore than flu shots i've had in the past, so i'm feeling good. >> experts warn it will take time some estimate up to 18 months. that's considered record speed round-the-clock research with moder