ahmet race has become. that machines do not make life and death decisions humans humans make life and death decisions about humans and when he we open the door to machines making those decisions we undermine the basic principle of a responsible human agent little autonomy of weapons and self driving cars they are just the tip of an iceberg. with something much larger below the surface and that larger thing below the surface is autonomy in general is a town a system that's in general autonomy a systems threaten to undermine the foundational principle that there's an agent and that agent can either be a human or it can be a corporation or something else but that there is an agent who is responsible and potentially culpable and liable for its actions or for any actions that are taken. i don't i can't think of anything more stupid than humanity going down a route where we have deluded the principle of responsibility where we dilute it in such a way that nobody can be held responsible anymore if something truly

ahmet pohl. he's an e.r. physician, emergency room physician at northwestern medicine in chicago. dr. pohl, what is your sense of we are on the front lines tonight, especially in terms of supplies, necessary supplies for the safety of the physicians, the nurses and others on the front lines, others working in the hospitals? >> it's a very difficult situation, lawrence, i'll have to admit. i'll say my own personal experience, i was in the emergency department last week. i did not myself run into any problems with having limitations to my access to the equipment that i needed personally. but certainly the reports i get from friends and colleagues of mine, a very large study that was conducted by a company that i work for that sampled the entirety frankly of the physician user base and had responses from across the country, is reflecting the practical reality being somewhat disconnected if some of the things that we're hearing and some of the things frankly that you covered in your opening there. i think what's missing frankly is that plain talk. i appreciated the conversation you ha

there are state commissions ahmet over the country that help supervise and fund in partnership with local and local governments organizations that do all sorts of great things. some of them are known to many of your viewers, teach for america, habitat for humanity, public allies. many of those folks, we know three things. they have signed up to do taupe national service, and they're connected to communities interested in volunteerism and service, and most of their programs are on hold. a bill i've been advancing with a group of democrats and there's been some strong interest by republicans, would double the size of aamerica corps, recruit and fund and support a whole new generation of young americans dedicated to national service and would rapidly stand up a workforce of 150,000 people who could do the contact tracing and test support that we so badly need in order to be able to reopen safely. most governors and mayors are looking for the right solution to this problem. i think in americorps we've got it. so far in conversations with the head of the cdc and the head of the corporation for