next to talk about tosident trump's decision withhold funding from the world health organization, fred schaeferanks for being here. can you hear me ok? guest: i can. surprised by president trump's announcement? >> i was surprised about the timing. consideration of cutting funding to the world health organization. decision to cut funding right now in the midst of the covid-19 outbreak in so many countries around the world, it did take me by surprise. it does not mean the president does not have legitimate criticism of the world health organization, particularly its chineseess to take claims at face value, which cost enormous damage economically around the world and enormous in many countries around the world. decision to cut funding at this moment when so many countries rely on the world health organization, that did take me by surprise. was about shifting china policy. do you think the decision was largely about china and not about the health organization? >> the world health organization, like many international organizations, had a large in -- political component. the organization discovered