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kathleen sebelius was then the second of health and human services.hat's when the pandemic broke out. thanks so much for joining us. what are some of the lessons you would apply from that pandemic to what we're all facing now? >> it's good to be with you. 61 million people were infected with h1n1. we didn't have a vaccine. same situation we're facing now, and people were really scared. our president at that time said we have to follow the science. what the science tells us is the guidance we will follow about closing schools, about people shutting down workplaces, tell people what you know and what you don't know and tell them over and over again. and speak with one voice. president obama felt the federal government had unique authorities and powers and he mobilized those powers. we worked hard on a vaccine, we were lucky because it was a strain of the flu. we had to convince people to get a flu shot and then get a vaccine for h1n1 on top of that. it ebbed up being a very successful program. we lost about 12,500 people. most of whom were older and had

sanjay gupta and kathleen sebelius, democratic governor of kansas who served as health and human servicesthe obama administration. secretary sebelius, look, the country's in a major health crisis. the president of the united states suggesting that people might be injected with disinfectant then lies about it. i mean, how dangerous is all this? >> well, anderson, i think it's incredibly dangerous. you ended the last segment with a heartbreaking story about a young widow and her two children and her beloved husband who just died. we ended this week with 50,000 american deaths. they have doubled over the past ten days and we have a president who from the podium is pitching americans to take specific medication that is not proven effective and may, indeed, cause them harm, and now is talking about lighting inside their body, ultraviolet light and maybe injecting people with disinfectant, which is, again, dangerous, could kill them. so i think it is incredibly harmful and must be shocking to any of the health advisers who try to make some sense out of what's coming out of his mouth. >> kaitlan

joining me now the former health and human services secretary of state, kathleen sebelius. she coordinated the response to the 2009 h1n1 outbreak outbreak under president barack obama. secretary, thank you so much. it is very important that you have been here -- that you are here because you have been through a similar situation and so your guidance and your words and your thought -- thoughts and your expertise are very important. so, good evening to you. the president said that the hhs watchdog report is wrong, but it surveyed more than 300 hospitals from 46 different states, found severe and widespread shortages. is that woeful ignorance? what is this? >> well, i just think hhs did what they call the i.g. department, the inspector general did what they call a pulse report, called hospitals all over the country to give a snapshot, to give feedback to policymakers and hhs leaders and the administration about what actually was going on in the country. rather than saying, thank you, we will work on this, this is really helpful. as you saw, the president attacked the inspector

joining us is the former kansas governor kathleen sebelius, who served as health and human services directoradministration. and there is a differentiation of the second wave being more difficult and more devastating. is there a difference between those two things in your mind? >> no, either one of them is pretty terrible. what dr. redford is talking about is if you have a robust flu season, and we never know really what's coming, and we might have a vaccine that is fully effective or you might have a vaccine that is partially effective, we're going to have a lot of patients as we do every year, already with underlying health condition, older, more vulnerable, pregnant women, others who are susceptible to the flu, they will be in hospital bed, they will be needing the kind of care and then if you spread oefbd on top , koefb on top of that, it could be deadly for even more individuals in this country. >> i mean, yes, as you said, a second wave of the virus, combined with the seasonal flu which a lot of americans do not even routinely get a vaccination for. >> that's right. >> and one of the th

for health professionals to toe the party line, joining us right now is former kansas governor kathleen sebeliusd human services in the obama administration. the president differentiating between the second wave of the pandemic being more difficult versus it being more devastating, is there a difference between those two things in your mind? >> no. either one of them is pretty terrible. what dr. red ford is talking about is if you have a robust flu season and we never know really what's coming and you might have a vaccine that's fully effective or you might have a vaccine that's partially effective, we're going to have a lot of patients, as we do every year, already with underline health conditions, already older, more vulnerable, pregnant women, others who are susceptible to the flu, they will be in hospital beds. they'll be needing the kind of care. and then if you spread covid-19 on top of that, it could be deadly for even more individuals in this country. >> and i mean, yeah, as you said, a second wave of the virus combined with the seasonal flu which a lot of americans do not even routinely

. >> let's bring in kathleen sebelius, a former secretary of health and human services under presidentma. you just heard governor cuomo there, do you share that sentiment that it did not have to be this way? >> i share the sentiment that for too long we were in denial led by the president of the united states, who ignored his security briefing, ignored his scientists, paid no attention to what could be seen as a terrifying pandemic that spread very easily, and as dr. fauci likes to say, efficiently, and was going to be very difficult to contain without a vaccine. so yes, what could have been, would have been a much better response. but we are now where we are without still robust federal intervention. i live in a state of kansas right in the middle of the country. our cases are rising rapidly. we are certainly not the hot spot that new york is. our governor has requested supplies three different times in march. none of those supplies have been delivered. we still do not have enough test kits to even know about health care providers and are they safe and secure to go to work. we're a st