bowman coming a good education system where you are able to introduce critical thinking, analytical thinking, you improve equality in the country, you improve economic development, well-being of a lotthe people in these countries, i think it is very difficult. >> were in a think tank so we will be policy prescriptive for a second, and the bush administration around 2002 there was a case of the egyptian american sociologist who is in prison in part for what he was talking about in terms of reform in the bush administration held up something like $120 million worth of aid. if we go further back to the reagan administration and we look at the issue of obligation in islam, there is a student scholar, and forgetting his nam- >> abdul? >> it was somebody else. >> he talked about how reform should include the need for reverse and putting the early versus on the head of the leader versus and he was executed by the merrie regime. the point of this is, while the united states has separation of church and state, does that mean we can reliv ignore religion ann we use the leverage for a person in order to create some sort of space so the people being most bold on the course of reform don't end