. >> reporter: stanley mcchrystal is a retired four star general. >> okay, let's talk about where were now. >> reporter: who toward the end of his army career led the joint special operations command, army ranger, navy s.e.a.l.s, delta force, 7500 of the most highly trained and lethal warriors in the u.s. military. >> i think leaders have got to be brutally honest with themselves about what the real situation is and what they're trying to do. but then i think they have to be extraordinarily candid with their followers. one, it's a sign of respect, and two, it's just essential for long-term effectiveness. >> our adversary now is this virus. >> reporter: dr. penny wheeler is a gynecologist and obstetrician who now runs allina health with its 11 hospitals and more than 90 clinics throughout minnesota and western wisconsin. as president and ceo, dr. wheeler overseas a staff of more than 29,000 employees. >> my job is to try to learn from them and get barriers that are creating barriers to their care or their roles out of the way. that's how i approach leadership. i sure hope i'm not a pa

and we're joining by stanley mcchrystal who commanded all forces in afghanistan and whose leadership of the joint special operations kpland in the 2000s really transformed the organization. sir, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me, brianna. >> so you're watching states and you've talked about this approach, this reopening and they're doing it mostly haphazard, generally uncoordinated. there is the exception of some regional alliances among governors. you command the j sock which is the organization that brings the elite of the service branches together and your specialty was forcing cooperation between those organizations and i wonder from that advantage point what you think the federal government and states should be doing here? >> well it is interesting, when i was younger and wanted to be a soldier like my father i thought of the fighting end of it and the great decisions i might make if given the opportunity. but as i got more senior i found as we saw with dwight eisenhower, the real magic in operations is bringing a coalition together and getting organization

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mcchrystal how could dead we. sesee in a look at the come come up with a dull cololorful. whoo. i know when io go back that's because of her . yeah. sorry this is not like i was born here. here i like. meanwhile competency. if i was back in the refugee camp. i know i would have appreciated someone coming back and just telling me. okay i was a kid here but now i'm doing this. it hasn't been an easy path. there's still a lot of unknowns and i think that's what that's what told you to

. >> stanley mcchrystal is a retired four-star general. >> let's talk about where we are now. >> h he the joint special operations command, army rangers, navy seals, delta force. 7500 of the most highly trained and lethal warriors in the u.s. military. >> i think leaders have to be brutally honest with themselves about what the real situation and what they're to do, and they have to be extraordinarily candid with their followers. one, it is a sign of respect, and, two, it is essential for long-term effectiveness. >> dr. penny wheeler is a gynecologist and obstetrician, which now runs alina hill. as president and c.e.o., dr. wheeler oversees a staff of over 29,000 employees. >> my job is to try to learn from them and get barriers that creating barriers to their care or their growth out of the way. that's how i approach leadership. i sure hope i'm not a pain in the butt. >> here at fordham... >> dr. jove joseph mcshane is a jes wut jesuit priest. in normal times, he would be getting ready to preside over commencement ceremonies. these clearly are not normal times. >> what more can we do

i love the guy that phil collins, the number one fan of it, from genesis, and stanley mcchrystal joined us in a special and he says that military colleges still study it, that 180 guys could hold off 3,000 plus for 13 days and if they got a couple-more, they might have won. and jim bow whyieie-- jim bowie, if he didn't have scurvy or whatever it is. >> [inaudible] have you ever had a sparring match with a guy-- >> he kicked me in the thigh. he's got a thing you can to his house and what you do, you make a right at the helipad. and he brings you do there and spar with him. what you're alluding to, i did the first four ufc, i didn't fight this them, i called them and i watched before they were weight classes, before there were divisions, if you won you go back to the locker room and fight four times for a championship and to see a sumo guy weighing 450 pounds, maybe 600 pounds and go against a 180 pound guy in the netherlands and have the first shot knock out two teeth and land on jame brown's notes it was an interesting experience. i was one of the first guys in the octagon when first de

that guys like phil collins, the number one alamo in the world from genesis, and a guy like sammy mcchrystal joined me at the alamo, he joined us in the special. he said in military colleges still study it. 180 guys could hold off 3000 plus for 13 days. if they just got a couple hundred more they might've even one. if jim buie by the myth it is him are the legend he is if he did have something like tuberculosis or scurvy, i don't know what he was suffering from iva feeling he would still be live. that's how they wrote about this guy, he would've found a way. smack a little off the subject i know you're a good fitness guy have you ever had an mm a match? [inaudible] speaking he kicks me in the side real hard. [laughter] hate if you go to his house, what you do is you after right into the helipad. [laughter] you go to his house come he brings you down there and you spar with them little bit. but as you knowou sir what you're alluding to, i did the first four ufc's. i did not fight him i called him. i watched before they were weight classes, divisions if you one you go back to the locker room a

to do as a part of this and more importantly, more than a decade ago when i worked for stanley mcchrystal, the negotiating position that they had in 2009 is identical to the position that we just agreed to 11 years later. they had shifted. they've been saying no longer have a relationship with al qaeda, they said they will not allow them to carry out on anyone else. i think that we could and should push for a better deal. there is a weakness and position of strength and the other point i think is i don't want this to come off as harsh but we the united states and allies could keep doing what w we are doing literally forever and lose a couple of dozen people every year which is horrible and very bad for their families and for their communities but it doesn't destroy the ability to continue the operation of the. what's problematic is that the money we spend but it's the afghan government's losses they lost 45,000 people in the last five years and we have to figure out how to reduce the losses given the support they need and i would argue its aviation, intelligence, medical support, maintena

i happened to be having dinner with george casey the night that stan mcchrystal and his jsoc guys killed zarqawi. zarqawi gets killed. we now have a government in iraq. so i think the natural tendency that certainly i had -- i can't speak for others -- was okay, maybe this was a turning point. as brett just said correctly, there were a lot of times when people felt we've got a development now or there's one coming that will change the direction of this. you've got to go through that probably a few times and then realize, okay, there's not going to be some that's going to save us. we'll have to do some things differently. we were very constrained in osd by the secretary's views. and that was just a reality. i was aware that the council of colonels was going on. that was not kept secret with us. i was having conversations with megan, with jd crouch. i remember specifically, we had these devices -- i don't know if they exist anymore. they're kind of a video telephone. very late in the day, quite frequently, jd and i would get on and talk about this. jd was saying we need to do something dif

joining us now, governor mcauliffe and general stanley mcchrystal.ou say there are lessons from your fight against al qaeda and iraq that apply here as well. explain what you mean? >> in 2003 when al qaeda in iraq emerged. they were different than anything we had seen before. they were fast moving, viral, lethal. in reality, very much like covid 19, we had to take a different approach where we distributed our force, but we synchronized our effort every day. >> and that was obviously successful operation at that time. you say your experience during the ebola outbreak taught you the value of communications. explain how. >> let me just say, i dealt with the ebola crisis, the obama white house and the cdc immediately contacted us when they thought this pandemic could come to the united states of america and immediately we got on the phone with the white house and the cdc. they were very helpful. i immediately set up an incident command. i brought all our health professionals together and said, we're going to deal with this together. i built two hospitals

in fact, i wrote an op-ed with general mcchrystal talking about how we need to coordinate together withothers because i'm sitting in northern virginia right now, i'm a couple miles from the district of columbia and a couple miles from maryland. our workforces are all interrelated. you couldn't open up one state and say we're going back to work and then say in maryland and virginia we don't because people are moving back and forth constantly. the president is, once again, creating tremendous controversy here. he's wrong on the facts, but people trust governors today. the reason is they're leading. they're listening to their health experts, and they're not going to open up before they know their health experts have told them it's safe do it. no matter what the president says. he doesn't have the authority. and you ought to pay attention to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. governors are hurting their budgets. we've got to protect first responders, teachers, fire, police, and we're worried about the health crisis and the economic crisis, and trump's just been wrong on everything. i remind yo

going back to the white house you have jared kushner, boston has former general mcchrystal running their get all of the pieces together in coordinated plan. one of the things that happened during the transition, a tabletop exercise that president obama directed that the incoming administration had a plan for an impending pandemic. four people participated. all are gone. personnel is policy, george. i would put a person in charge of the massive operation, getting the government, get the logistics operation moving and look around the corner -- that's not happening -- >> isn't that the vice president? >> well, it's not happening, because it's clear -- those eight weeks from the early warnings that we got of what was happening in china and knowing that china from the cia that told the president and told the vice president, they're telling -- they're not telling what you need to know, they didn't activate the process and everything that was implemented in that tabletop exercise, between the two administrations, the policies have all been decimated and you need know a general who knows how to

what stan mcchrystal did to transform jsoc into a terrorism machine is unmatched anywhere in the world so iraq doesn't have one of those, and iraq didn't get zarqawi, and pakistan didn't get bin laden. that was jsoc. so there's some sort of high- d high-end, sort of niche capabilities that are unmatched so we should bring those into the fight. but in the long run, i'm very much in favor of trying to find an indigenous answer here because those are.on the ones t are going to be durable. >> can i tell one quick anecdote. we're in iraq in the end of 2008, steve and myself and bred bush. it's a handingoff into the obama administration. better shape than ever could have imagined. the president had a great welcome, a great meeting with maliki, went out to sign the security agreements, we're all sitting on the side. remember, that's when the guy stands up and throws two shoes at the president. and i honestly -- it was such chaos in that small room -- when he stood up screaming, i had spent too much time in iraq, i thought it was a suicide bomber. i mean, that was my first thought. i thought,