on the apple tv app. >>> we are back talking about trump, china, covid and the blame game with nadia schadlowrmer deputy national security adviser to president trump, and kishore mahbubani, a former top diplomat in singapore. nadia, let me ask you about this question of the origins of the virus. some of the allies of the president argued initially that this was -- this came out of a bioweapons program or implied this came out of a bioweapons program from a lab in wuhan. now the claim is that it may have accidentally originated from that lab, a bat may have infected a researcher. what i don't understand is if it was accidental and came out of a lab or accidental and came out of the wet market, how does it matter? the point is people are no longer claiming china intentionally spread this virus around the world, which would seem odd since it wreaked havoc in china as well. isn't the issue chinese intent? we seem to -- we seem to have lost your audio, if you can hear me, nadia. can you try again? i think we've -- we're having a little bit of difficulty here. kishore, let me ask you, while we get