observations of the last nations that have hit the wall and have gone down, whether it be greece or ireland or portugal or spain, or any of the ones -- it seemed like they hit in the 125% to 140%. and i know there's no false precision to this, and i know this is subjective. but i'd like to hear your informed comments about, you know -- many people have said we've gone over the cliff. we haven't yet. there is a cliff. i mean, i don't know if you want to make any comments upon what, where you believe the end of the road could reasonably be for this country. it's obviously debatable and subjective and -- >> so, the question as i take it is how big can the u.s. national debt get without -- yes. and of course, nobody knows, and debt optimists will point to places like great britain, which several times in its history hit roughly 250% of its gdp. yeah, wow. but the british -- >> special -- >> no, no, i don't know the special gate. the british had something akin to our fiscal constitution, and during the pokz britannia, for example, held the line on deficits, and that gdp, debt-to-gdp ratio came down consider