know it's probably a complicated question but how did you become a ball in the unification church and how long were you. involved in the church or to so the 1st part's not complicated i got involved when i was 10 years old in 1904 my mom my mom went to hear everyone speak in january of 174 and then in june in 1074 she went up to a workshop at belvedere a baritone one of their church places churches states and she went up and back and up and back and then took us up somewhere in july and we were in so i was in it 10 years old 174 the how long is a little bit more complicated because some people leave and they leave on a specific date and my brother like to say i just kind of drifted away and so somewhere between 17 to 2021 was when i was like less less less listless a member it was hard to leave i could imagine. what in the what's interesting is when you kind of think about being involved in a church that's so involved in the daily life or a cult or any kind of organization that is every day you think about it as being very strict in a very strict upbringing but your experience is actu