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dr andrea ammon, who is director of the european centre for disease prevention and control, told membersg were not being counted unless the infection had been confirmed. so, how significant is this? here's professor nina fefferman from the university of tennessee. they are probably really significant, both in terms of estimating how dangerous covid—19 is as an epidemic, and also in trying to estimate how we should try to continue to combat the ongoing infection. how wrong could the figures be, do you think? they could be really wrong. right now, even figuring out what we would mean by a confirmed case, probably varies from country to country. whether or not that means it's confirmed by medical diagnosis or clinical laboratory tests. if we're going with clinical test, those have been scarce at different points in the epidemics and different regions, have been limited. so we could be severely underestimating this even to this day. if we go by, sort of, estimated expected fatalities compared to what we're seeing just by numbers of deaths rather than any attribution of the underlying cause —

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doctor andrea ammon director of the european center for disease prevention and control told members ofle dying of covid—19 were not counted unless the infection had been confirmed. so are we actually using the correct numbers? joining me now is nina fefferman. she's professor in the departments of maths and ecology and evolutionary biology at the university of tennessee. thank you very much indeed for your time. how significant would you say the comments from andrea are? they are probably really significant. both in terms of estimating how dangerous covid—19 is as an epidemic and also in trying to estimate how we should try to continue to combat the ongoing infection. are wrong could the figures be, do you think? they could be really wrong. right now, even figuring out what we would mean by a confirmed case, probably varies from country to country. whether or not that means it is confirmed by medical diagnosis or clinical laboratory medical diagnosis or clinical la boratory tests. medical diagnosis or clinical laboratory tests. if we're going with clinical test, those have been scarce

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ben emmons joins us -- ammons joins us now. where can we see leadership going?it is interesting. on friday larry kudlow outlined a bit of shift in strategy by saying we would likely not get a shot down on the u.s. economy and they are -- they are prepping to get it done faster. it has a big -- those are the essential services and what matters is the sectors those will notd come online immediately but faster reopening gives the market a level of comfort these sectors can recover with necessary stimulus behind it because there was more effort in those sectors to get people back to work. i think it is maybe the idea of leadership change. these are, hospitality in the united states as opposed to big tech. shery: when it comes to the reopening, different assets are so sitting -- assessing this. we have seen a five year treasury yield falling from record lows last week. expectingminard is negative interest rates in the u.s. could be around the corner, saying the message is clear. the 2-year note trading at this level shows it is stuck at zero and the risk for treasury

dr andrea ammon, who is director of the european centre for disease prevention and control, says peoplehe infection had been confirmed. chris hoy is a research and policy fellow at the australian national university who's been looking at low and middle income countries. hejoins me from canberra. you been looking at low and middle income countries in particular. how worried about the numbers i counted?” particular. how worried about the numbers i counted? i am particularly concerned because of the fact that this just has not been a widescale amount of testing we have seen in the high income countries. as a result, the true magnitude of the infection is actually unknown. and so therefore, if we don't know how widespread it is, particularly in some countries, that is a real concern isn't it in terms of fighting this? absolutely. there is a horrible trade off between the economy and also the health of society and some work that i've recently published with the united nations university actually showed that up to half a billion people could be in extreme poverty as a result of the covid—19 e