but the fact that you get to listen to brene brown is also an added bonus. to you, one of the weird things i do when i'm in a funk is i actually listen to commencement addresses because i feel like it's the best someone has to offer. >> i love that. >> i listened to yours on the way in and the guy who was driving me, eddy, said to me, we both listened to it together, he said can you please email me that link that's the most incredible speech i just want to repeat something you said that we just ran the clip what starts here, changes the world but it will not be on your terms or your timeline the world will not ready itself for your plans that's not an easy lesson for grads to understand. >> that's -- you know, that's not an easy lesson for me to understand i still want that to happen. so when i thought about, we've got to be real about the situation we're in right now we've got to be honest with folks graduating a lot of us, you know, learn and unlearn for the first decade out of school about how this is not going to be -- i'm not calling the shots completel

>> jimmy: hey guys, i'm talking to professor and "new york times" five time best selling author brene browni really appreciate it how are you and where are you? >> i - we're doing okay and we are -- there are 12 of us quarantined between two houses, one in austin and one in houston so it's sisters, families. we got my mom out of assisted living with a tuck and roll at the last minute when they were closing the doors, which was great. >> jimmy: wow. >> and then, yeah, so we got a a big crew >> jimmy: five "new york times" best sellers you did a ted talk on vulnerability that's gotten over 60 million views by the way. and then you have this netflix special which i think was the first netflix special where they just aired a lecture, that's crushing. and now you have a new weekly podcast. you're busy, busy, busy. for people that don't know you, can you explain what you do? >> yeah. i've spent the last two decades, a little bit more studying the emotions that kind of define what it means to be human. so i study vulnerability, courage, shame, empathy. so, i'm a researcher i'm a professor at the u