with me as chaplain dave robinson. you are recently retired as the director of the correctional institutions chaplaincy. >> yes. >> welcome to retirement, after many years of serving. tell us what correctional institutions chaplaincy is. >> cic is a nonprofit formed in the early 60s and incorporated in the 70s as a joint effort with the evangelical association and one of the few remaining love child of that movement. we are there for the specific purpose of serving all the men, women and youth that are incarcerated in the santa clara county. a nonprofit. we are, part of the budget comes from the county. part of the budget comes from local churches, faith communities and individuals who are supporting of this ministry can. >> tell us a bit about the santa clara county system and who is there and how manysonserand wh kpopula the poonto t 3500 people. the last few years, the population was reduced. there is a women's jail and the men's facility. there is the main jail complex downtown san jose near the county and we are a

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