been massively out front on the scale of decades of chinese-german experience, for that matter, china and the west. he is with the eu chamber of commercerg wuttke, we are honored to have you with us. what is the zeitgeist missing in this collapse of u.s.-china relations? well, the suggestion of the rather -- we came from two years of trade war and now venturing into tech war. and now the coronavirus is knocking down the last pieces of any reconciliation possible. where these two massive economies are heading. but what can we do? european business is trying to position itself independently from that. tom: as you well know, and you have seen it certainly, there is always a vacuum to fill. which vacuum will china fill in our political discourse right now? where will they go to fit the solution? minister who has represented europe already made it very clear he sees a battle of narratives heading our way, meaning that china is trend overcome the fact that they have been very sloppy in the beginning and did not communicate well to the world, by not protecting themselves as the savior. this is not possibly going to go down well with many plac