he was a beautiful daily communicant, and supportive of interestls, and taking in this institute, the school sisters of notre dame in such a beautiful way. , we were across the street from the projects. it was a school that stood fry very long time. , they didme schools move to the suburbs outside the city a bit, and that institute stay downtown. it was a wonderful place to go read it to us what we needed to learn academically and it taught us the values. it was a place where we went to mass every day as well. mass. hot chocolate after that was the thing i remember with great joy. i love chocolate, and i love mass. host: another reference to the chocolate. as you hear who -- or talk about that, that really shaped who she is today. guest: absolutely. she was very devoted to her indies, and she was educated an all-girls school bite nuns. she was not interested in becoming a nun as her parents hope she might. she never really considered that as a career path. she always wanted more independence than she was allowed to have as a little girl in the 40's and 50's. , sheher father was mayor