joining me now is the person who probably knows more about this, other than anyone at the cdc, jason dearen, reporter for the associated press, who has broken these scoops about why the white house is burying the cdc guidance. jason, thank you again for your time tonight. the cdc director, robert redfield said yesterday that the new guidance would be coming soon. what do you make of that? what does soon mean? is there really an effort to get this guidance published? because it is, as you are reporting, remarkably detailed information that people need. >> well, first of all, thanks for having me, ali, i appreciate it. yes, there has been an effort at cdc to get this guidance published for weeks now. and what the e-mails i obtained showed is starting in early april, the guidance was sent to the white house for approval from cdc, and it got caught in kind of a logjam there for weeks and by the 30th that's when the cdc was told it will never see the light of day, according to three different cdc officials who spoke to us on condition of anonymity. and it was only after our first report about th

us safe and thank you, jason, this is very, very important reporting that you have been doing, jason dearen, reporter for the associated press, congratulations on this latest scoop. and thanks for joining us tonight. >>> the united states is woefully behind other nations in scaling up testing capacity allowing the virus that causes covid-19 to spread more than it should have and that is inarguable or it should be but the president and the allies in congress have adopted a new line, forget what we said before about testing, back when we said that anyone who wants a test can get a test, our testing capacity is totally fine the way it is and anyone who thinks we should have more early testing is actually part of a democratic witch hunt to make the president look bad. that's how things played out today at the new special house committee hearing on coronavirus. dr. ashish ja, professor of local public health at harvard was called as a witness to talk about america's testing capacity. instead, dr. ja found himself on the receiving end of a political attack from one of the president's favorite mem