like to welcome julianne malveaux, thank you so much for your time. when you look at those numbers, specifically the breakdown by race, what do you make of those numbers? >> we already had inequalities before the coronavirus, and these inequalities are just amplified. one of the things that 's very interesting is usually unemployment is twice that of whites. this time's narrower, suggests to me several people aren't being counted. most recent report, alternative unemployment, 22.5%. when you look at that, may be about 40% for african-americans and latinos. data gives us some information, not full information. we know the situation is a lot worse than the data are suggesting. we are hearing there's looming threat of second wave of this virus. what volatility does that add to the job market? >> enormous volatility. president keeps talking about u-shaped or v-shaped curve, bouncing right back up, there's no evidence whatsoever anything is going to bounce back up. can't turn on the economy like a light switch and say let's go for it. reverberations for wh