they weren't real braise renn bit at the time -- brazen about it, beating their chess, what a great thinghey did it covertly as they could, barack obama stride to back out, stay away, have it be blamed on somebody else. this is not over, yet, liz. i really believe there will be more and more facts come out and it is going to be devastating to some of the culprits. elizabeth: you know we found the fisa court judges were seeing private contractors working for the fbi trying to access nsa, the nsa database going back to 2015 when then candidate trump took the escalator down trump tower said he would run for the candidacy. it is not news that president barack obama and donald trump, president donald trump have poisonous relations. president obama doesn't like him. so you think should president obama called in on this and held to account? >> i think, liz, as the facts unfold, it is going to reach that point where they can no longer say barack obama knew nothing. it wasn't his fault. he didn't know what was going on. he knew what was going on. i think as the facts unfold, it will be pointing ri