. >>> i want to now bring in kathleen sebelius, former secretary of health and human services in the obama administration. prior to that, she was the governor of kansas. a sort of remarkable resume to evaluate what's going on right here. i thought i would start with this question about expertise and who you listen to. i mean, this has been a theme of the trump administration from day one, you know, there's a mar-a-lago club member who knows a guy and he gets in the ear of the president on some policy. there's a donor who's got someone. someone knows someone, opposed to a rigorous system for policy formation, forfunneling information to the president. and we've seen this in the pandemic. what are the costs of that? why does it matter if the president ignores the vast institutional knowledge of the u.s. government and instead has his son-in-law have someone post something on facebook? >> chris, i think it's very dangerous for any leader to be in a situation where no one around him is able to tell him the truth. and that seems to be where president trump likes his information, and no on

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secretary sebelius, let me ask you something about the country as a whole.t least 24 states now are seeing fewer numbers of cases including some states that have started to reopen. so when you look at that what do you consider to be real evidence in terms of what state and local governments are doing right, what they're doing wrong, or is it just too soon to tell? >> well, i think the good news is that the vast majority of the country took steps to really if not self-quarantine shelter in place, social distance, really shut down activities in a major way. and that has had a dramatically good impact in many parts of the country. and we're seeing the benefits of that. the disease indeed is going down in many parts of the country, not everywhere. and we still have hot spots all over the place that aren't in control. what i think all the scientists warn about is that reopening en masse, and i've seen some of the photographs on the news in the last couple of days which are really terrifying, that people are back to crowded into small spaces, sharing -- you know,

and kathleen sebelius. the cdc director robert redfield may be on thin ice. the president says not the case. is this really the right moment for tensions between the white house and the director of the cdc? seemed like there were some tensions between him and dr. birx as well. >> it's a terrible time for tension with the cdc, who are the gold standard epidemiologists, not just in this country, but around the world. every country wants to have a cdc-like entity. they're the folks who track and trace, who tell us about the disease, who can help state and local officials monitor what's going on, and who, luckily, the guidance has been freed. i was pleased that the guidance that is detailed and industry by industry, area by area, it's finally been released. not really publicized, but it's out there. and so local officials can get their hands on it and try and figure out what the national plan is. the problem is, anderson, as you've alluded to, and sanjay knows as well, without support from -- the president ideally would have touted the fact that cdc guidance is a

up in a way that's slow and controls the continued rate of infection of this virus. >> secretary sebelius, we understand now that iowa's governor has decided to go into a limited or a modified quarantine, self-quarantine, because of her visit to the white house last week. you were a governor and you were an hhs secretary. what should they be recommending? what is safe? >> well, i think, andrea, again, i'd go back, as robert did, to what we just heard from governor cuomo. people are willing to make huge sacrifices for their health and their family's health, even if it involves some economic pain, which clearly, we're seeing across this country. what they need is information, and they need honest facts. so, cdc guidance, which was put out earlier talking about the trajectory of downward disease trend, it set a national framework. the white house has now held on to the newest cdc guidance, which, my understanding is, is a place-by-place information set of how you reopen child care centers, restaurants, offices safely. we have an example of a place where individuals are tested every single da

senator,son: well, sebelius's precedents, and i would follow that as i would all presidents. sen. blumenthal: so if that were to come before your court, you would vote to uphold it. judge wilson: senator, i want to be careful as a sitting judge and now i nominee, not to -- sen. blumenthal: i ask you for your affirmation that you would uphold that part of the law and that you would follow president and that you believe it was rightly decided. judge wilson: senator, the extent of whether i would follow sebelius, or any other part of the affordable care act, the answer is yes. sen. blumenthal: but you continue to believe that the affordable care act was bad policy. judge wilson: senator, my belief that the moment have no part in serving as a judge, and i have not expressed that belief since becoming a judge. the reference you make to my op-ed or commentary, my work in the legislator, were all made before i became a judge, well before, in some cases, when these issues were being politically debated across the country, and my commentary was more about the policies, the way the affordab

richard besser, secretary cats kathleen sebelius, we appreciate your time.ll to come tonight climate activist greta thunberg joins us to talk about the plight of children after a shocking report from unicef on the number of children who they believe their lives are in danger every day across the world because of this pandemic and its ripple effects. ♪ ♪ ♪ there's no better story than your story. and ancestry can help you discover it. you could find new details in minutes. see photos from your family's past. maybe even uncover something you never expected. you might just find the more you learn about your family history the more you'll want to know and sometimes, you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. >>> increasingly over the last few days we've been reporting more and more how kids are being affected not only by the virus itself but the ripple effects the pandemic has had on their lives. unicef said as many as 6,000 childr

by former acting cdc director richard besser, former health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius, and activist greta thunberg. tomorrow night, 8:00 eastern time, only on cnn. >>> let's discuss more of what we were talking about with an emergency room physician and associate professor of emergency medicine at oregon health and science university. it's very good to have you, doctor. i would like to begin on part of sanjay's reporting there, which is what we're seeing in some children. new york state is investigating 100 of these potential cases. 3 deaths. children with inflammatory syndrome. organs being inflamed, feet, hands, et cetera. how difficult is it to diagnose? and i guess if you could explain why we don't know for sure if it's connected to covid or not. >> yeah, we're seeing this thing that we initially called a kawasaki-like disease. this is a syndrome, a cluster of symptoms that are associated with previous viral illnesses. it's -- and now that we're generalizing and calling it pediatric multisystem inflammatory disease. i think what we're seeing is what we in some ways

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kathleen sebelius joins us now. is the former governor of kansas and former secretary of health and human services in the obama administration. secretary, good to have you with us. as a former health official, how do you react to seeing some of those images? >> well, i think they're pretty terrifying. if you think about the fact that what we know is about 4% of the country is estimated to have been exposed or infected by this virus. so that means 96% has not. so a lot of people are still possible victims of the virus. as you say, we're very close to 100,000 deaths. the issue about president trump not wearing a mask, is he's modeling terrible behavior. it's true, people have to be tested before they see him, but wearing a mask is him protecting other people. he is refusing to do that and saying to all kinds of folks, it's okay that you don't do that. soft what we need is leadership from the white house. we need a national strategy. the cdc guidance was actually kind of muzzled and held on to until most states had ope

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secretary kathleen sebelius who pointed this out to me.n president trump went to the cdc early on and he now said the infamous anybody wants they can get a test, he also at that point said something to the effect of, you know, he was talking about the 15 patients that had already gotten coronavirus at that point. it was that low number. and he was basically saying that he didn't want those numbers or more numbers on him. the idea that he doesn't want even more testing -- again, this is now just more theory because you can't say what's in his head. but all the evidence points to him claiming there's widespread testing when, in fact, a lot of people -- there are still issues with testing and he's never been a big proponent of getting out huge amounts of tests. one way to look at it is he doesn't want those numbers on his record just as julia was saying he doesn't want those deaths on his record. what do you make -- once of the purpose of the task force was to communicate to the american people what's happening, what we should be doing by eli