right now i want to bring in christina grier, political science professor and paul butler, form federalrosecutor. christina, let me start with you on this. it's interesting, jenny durkan is the mayor of seattle, done a very good job of managing the pandemic there in that city. the question of what the protesters want, what success would look like, particularly when you're talking about police departments in cities like minneapolis, seattle, boston, philadelphia that are run by democrats, sometimes have reformers on the city council, sometimes have reformers in the police chief, which is the case in minneapolis. and this tension between the police, how they act, and the politics of the place and what citizens want and what mayors allow or don't allow. >> mm-hmm. well, i think what we're seeing is a real tension between residents of these major cities and the fact that big "d" democratic politics, they feel, has failed them. we know that far too many city councils and mayors have negotiated with police departments on salaries and benefits but not on community policing or anti-bias trainin

right now i want to bring in christina grier, political science professor and paul butler, form federal prosecutor. author of 2017 choke hold. policing black men. christina, let me start with you on this. it's interesting, jenny durkan is the mayor of seattle, done a very good job of managing the pandemic there in that city. the question of what the protesters want, what success would look like, particularly when you're talking about police departments in cities like minneapolis, seattle, boston, philadelphia that are run by democrats, sometimes have reformers on the city council, sometimes have reformers in the police chief, which is the case in minneapolis. and this tension between the police, how they act, and the politics of the place and what citizens want and what mayors allow or don't allow. >> mm-hmm. well, i think what we're seeing is a real tension between residents of these major cities and the fact that big "d" democratic politics, they feel, has failed them. we know that far too many city councils and mayors have negotiated with police departments on salaries and benefits b

you with those images of folks outside the white house in the very christina grier, th. standing in the spot where president trump had the park police attack the peaceful protesters. i'm chris hayes, back at 8:00 p.m. eastern every weekend. "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" starts right now. >> we're going to begin with correspondence where protesters are still active and continue gathering reports. also joined by president obama's former national security adviser. mayor of st. paul, minnesota will be joining us, and attorney general of -- joining us in very strong opposition to donald trump's threat to send the american military uninvited into states like new york to seize control of the state. that appears to be an empty threat. but attorney general james greeted that threat with her open legal threat. 17-year-old jalen thompson will join us from his small town in missouri, where he organized the first protest that he has ever attended. and he got a turnout bigger than the protest that got national attention in los angeles on sunday. jerry reed will be with us th

professor christina grier, basil smikle, and maria hinojosa.he conversation is security analyst matt miller. he served as the director of the office of public affairs for the department of justice under attorney general eric holder. matt, let mow stae start with y thoughts on everything that has transpired in the past 24 hours or so. i know that it's a lot, but what is top of mind for you right now? >> look, i think what's happened is that the attorney general bill barr was trying to do in the southern district of new york what he successfully did in d.c., which is to move the independent prosecutor out of job, out of u.s. attorney, and replace him with someone who would be less independent and be more kind of obedient to what bill barr wants to do, which i assume has to do with something of the investigations. it may be more a general threat, that he just didn't want someone who is so independent with five months before the presidential election. i think the significant thing that happened overnight, though, is number one, geoff berman wasn't

christina grier is an associate professor of political science at fordham university and the author of the black ethnics. basil smikle is a democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. maria hinojosa. and dr. lipi roy, an internal medicine physician, an msnbc medical contributor. good to have all of you with us tonight. dr. roy, i'm going to start with you on the medical implications of tonight's event. the event was not sold out. there were still thousands of people bunched together, few of them wearing masks. it's been described by tulsa's health -- the head of the department of health in tulsa as a possible super-spreader event. how do you see it? >> good evening, joshua. yeah, got news is that it wasn't at capacity. i'm sure there was well less than 20,000 people, so that's the good news. here's the bad news and unfortunately we're going to have to unpack a lot of it. i think back to when i was in first-year university. i took calculus 101. you might have taken journalism 101. well, let me tell you, our current elected officials are fa