democratic uprising in the world's most celebrated democracy in disguise and i'm now joined by david kilcullen perhaps our own international and political studies at the university of new south wales and the author of the dry runs or be snakes how the rats learned to you by it was called and great to talk to you congratulations on your latest book and you for having me it's great to be here now i know that it's not your original idea to refer you adversaries as rap tiles and i am. wrong. bill clinton's 1st cia director but since you build a narrative around it i assume you find it snooty what are you still whining about it for you. i think so just to say this book is a book about military adaptation and it's about how different players adapted by the time and i begin the book at the end of the cold war and as i was casting around for a way to frame what's happened since then i found jim moses comments in his confirmation hearing extraordinarily apt it's a rather prescient deer of the international security environment of the ninety's but it really comes down to that one phrase where he says we

democratic uprising in the world's most celebrated democracy to discuss and i'm now joined by david kilcullen professor of international and political studies at the university of new south wales and the author of the dry runs. how the rats learn to buy it was called and great to talk to you congratulations on your latest book and you for having me it's great to be here now i know that it's not your original idea to refer to adversaries as rap tiles you're more of a wrong. bill clinton's 1st cia director but since you build a narrative around it i've seen you find it snooty what are you still whining about it for you. i think that so just to say this book is a book about military adaptation and it's about how different players adapted by the time and i begin the book at the end of the cold war and as i was casting around for a way to frame what's happened since then i found jim moses comments in his confirmation hearing extraordinarily apt it's a rather prescient deer of the international security environment of the ninety's but it really comes down to that one phrase where he says we slain a

democratic uprising in the world's most celebrated democracy to discuss and i'm now joined by david kilcullen perhaps our own international and political studies at the university of new south wales and corrupt and the author of dry runs be snakes how the rats learned to you by it was called and great to talk to you congratulations on your latest book and you for having me it's great to be here now i know that it's not your original idea to refer. adversaries as rap tiles you borrow the wrong. bill clinton's 1st cia director but since you build a narrative around it i assume you find it snooty what are you still whining about it for you. so just to say this book is a.

welcome back to all the 4th grade david kilcullen the owner of the book the dragons and the snakes how their bras learn to fight the west they're taken calling regarding so where we are in the world like right now i think we are all taken aback by what's happening on the american streets we've been violent party. in cheating to drugs and this makes you see i am running away with the matter here it doesn't mean that the americans. have lost sight of beach towns that i'm now coming home to roost. you know that's an interesting 3rd animal to add into the mix the young person that i think described this very well in the not in seventies. as the french radical philosopher michel for car he said took about boomerang effect right there what an empire does overseas eventually comes back to be applied domestically run russia sort this out of the end of the at the war in afghanistan for example the u.s.s.r. after vietnam and i think we're seeing some of that here the point that i have made in in response to others that have us this is to say what we've seen across the west not not just the west