edgar hoover and j. edgar hoover finds it helpful for his fbi agents, because their action in the world can be framed in such a way that they are cooperating with divine to bring america back to god or keep america on track. i am very comfortable with that, because it helps me as a historian to track these ideas in these actions that are stemming from certain religious categories and ideals that have reference to transcendent ideas, but are really lived out in the world. i am comfortable with that, and i think that those of us who are living in the world today and watching the news understand that even the religious right has this idea that everything they are doing in their political activism is somehow for them rooted in a certain kind of religious commitment to god in that regard. i will leave the extra credit to other folks. >> i sometimes tell my students that we study not earthly matters, but matters of the earth, to emphasize the extent to which questions of faith are always connected to questions

edgar hoover who at that time was the head of the yeah but actually also quite out that a soft tissue cooler. who is still alive. lives in cuba now was a few years ago designated as one of the 10 most dangerous terrorists and the world and so the f.b.i. continues to use its force to single out and to. challenge those who are trying to bring about radical change in this country i think that could have been during the obama administration he was designated as yes it was during the obama administration absolutely well we'll get to his vice president joe biden in a 2nd but you talk there about communism you have used the phrase racial capitalism has the role of a revolutionary change since back in 72 when you said that it means wanting to change society to promote a world where needs and interests are responded to well i think use the term racial capitalism which show comes from. political scientists and. black studies scholar centric robinson who pointed out that capitalism has always been infused with racism crowd the outset of the present so that we should not. think about racism as ca

he had the goods on j edgar hoover. j edgar hoover was likely blackmailed by ed murphy. he used stonewall, the mafia had a apartment on the second floor where they ran eight prostitution ring, they used stone or's to get information from the clients. when the police investigated it and found out that this was centered around stonewall seymour pine tried to shut it down. the problem is that there was this big secret, only they knew about that part of the raid. even their men, men and women from their squad didn't know that they were rating to bust a blackmail ring. that was the reason for the raid. >> the different layers behind it. >> they were busting a blackmail ranked. they got into the apartment, took their pictures, threaten them saying we'll show it to your wife or boss. they went in there with an actual motive, it may have been the only gave barr bust in history. all the rest of them was because the mob wasn't paying off adequately, or the people in a bar. all the problems in the police department with regards to people having poor attitudes towards lgbtq have lon

so i think he had the goods on jay edgar hoover as well. so seriously, you know jay edgar hoover was black mile blackmailed again by ed murphy. royal and he had an apartment on the second floor, and ran an prostitution ring. and he used to waiters, to get information from the clients. i'm sorry, the patrons of the stone wall club. so when the police investigated some of this blackmail ring was it around stonewall. and pine was ordered to shut it down. what happened is, only pine key and his co-partner, it's mostly secret. so only they knew about that part of the raid. and even the men and women from the morals squad, didn't know that they were rating to bust a blackmail ring. so that was the reason for the raid. >> fascinating the different layers behind it. >> but they did the same thing that they almost did the rest of the kids that were in their, and they were busting a blackmail ring, and they were blackmailing wall street guy. you know taken their pictures, and then threatening them and saying we're going to show your wife or your boss

but, he was described as a communist sympathiser, described as an agitator, the fbi, j edgar hoover wereout much of his working life towards the end of his life. the emphasis was on him being something that america should not cleave to. to play the man on the ball. exactly. you focus on that, not the actual issues that he is talking about, and we are seeing that throughout what is happening now. the focus amongst some, particularly on the right, republicans and of course president trump, is to focus on the few, and it has been established that they are few, and some of them are right—wing agitators as well, as well as left—wing agitators, focus on the looting, focus on the $70 trainers that are being taken out of macy's, as opposed to a black man having the life strangled out of him by a white officer's knee. it is the classic way you do not change anything because you are not focusing on what's important, and that primarily has been what is happening, certainly from the perspective of the white house and some in the republican party. isabel, another issue here i suppose that we haven't

edgar hoover was blackmailed by ed murphy. and ed murphy did use the stonewall, they had on the mafia honors had an apartment on the second floor, out of which they ran a prostitution ring. they used waiters who were mostly straight to gather information from the clients. i'm sorry, the patrons of the stonewall club. when the police investigated. it seemed like this black male ring was centered around stonewall. pine was ordered to shut it down. what happened is, only pine and his co partner smythe. this is to be a secret. only they knew about that part of the raid, even their men who were men and women from the morals squad didn't know that they were raiding to bust a blackmail ring. so that was the reason for the raid. >> fascinating. the different layers behind it? >> they did the same thing they always do. they arrested the kids that were in there. i mean, they were busting a black male ring. they were blackmailing wall street guys, getting them in the apartment and taking pictures and saying, we're going to show your wife

edgar hoover days. and when it comes to trump the media could give a damn. as long as you're trying to get trump they don't care what you do. if this had been a republican paid operative -- >> oh, my god -- >> with dirt on hillary clinton. >> could you imagine? >> a trust a subsource that was a liar? they used it to get a warrant in somebody in her campaign the country would be on fire. it would be front page news everywhere. so what have we learned? we've learned when it comes to the media there is an egregious double standard. what have we learned? that you can't just trust the system, you have to watch the system. thank god for bill barr. bill barr has done a hell of a job trying to cleanup this mess. but i'll just tell you now everybody was breathless about mueller saying all the things they said about your family, and it turned out no there there. will the media look at what i'm trying to do? probably not, but you will. some other people will. and i'm going to create a record for history so this will not go unanswered, and it's going to take a while sta

edgar hoover federal building in washington.r the federal bureau of investigation. we will have an exclusive interview with christopher wray, applications after the george floyd killings, talk about the investigation into the origins of the russian interference in 2016 and the trump campaign, all of it open in this interview with the directory in just a moment but first. breaking tonight as well, federal appeals court has ordered charges to be

edgar hoover federal building in washington. the washington headquarters for the federal bureau of investigation. we will have an exclusive interview with christopher wray, applications after the george floyd killings, talk about the investigation into the origins of the russian interference in 2016 and the trump campaign, all of it open in this interview with the directory in just a moment but first. breaking tonight as well, federal appeals court has ordered charges to be dropped against former national security advisor michael flynn. that is considered a huge win for president trump and his justice department. details tonight outside the doj. good evening, david. >> good evening to you. former national security advisor michael flynn is one step closer to putting a three year legal saga behind him. he wants the case dropped from of the department of justice wants the case dropped, the original judge says not so fast but michael flynn is praising today's development. >> in a surprise call to the rush limbaugh show, michael flyn

edgar hoover was getting, like, daily briefings about this guy frank cameny. this astronomer.no money, i mean, he was starving at times. he couldn't get any jobs. he refused to give up on this quest. he was the first gay person to testify in front of congress about gay people, which is just -- blow your mind. he actually wrote his own brief to the supreme court, trying to get them to take this up. and i -- and he actually even got the first demonstration in front of the white house, in the late '50s which, at the time, was -- i mean, you can't even overestimate how startling that was to -- to america. >> uh-huh. and i'm glad you mentioned fbi because, of course, if you were protesting for your rights as a gay poor federal employee, ther were very good likelihood that photographers would be there, taking your photograph at the demonstration. and then, calling up the state department, calling up your private employer and saying, did you know that your employee is a sexual deviant? so he was, as you said, really e the first to fight back. and more directly to today was the first

j edgar hoover's vision was very different from, say, hillenkoetter's vision. >> i wanted to ask youuestion related back to john's talk. it was about the notes and it plays into the question about the notes and documentation you've been talking about. john referenced truman notes that were somewhat like, "someone wore a big hat." what did that mean? he said the notes were very conversational, unless i misunderstood. he was talking about documentation from the truman years and this early foundation period -- maybe i am making this up, but i thought very lackadaisical, not conveying any substance. >> you know, it is kind of interesting because truman and sours both are very human people. truman is notorious for having written a nasty letter to a music critic who was mean to his daughter, said nasty things about her, margaret, and how he was going to punch him in the face and kick him in the whatever. so truman would form very strong opinions very quickly, and he had enemies, one of whom was allen dulles. the reason he did not like dulles is because, he was a senior political adviser to

why was j edgar hoover still obsessed with the managing society and the homophile activists? it wasn't because on some political policymaking level that he was just really interested in this problem, it was because he hated and was upset with them because they were making these claims about his own sexuality and he wanted to get that in the so to speak. so you have to be telling, you have to be telling these more illicit parts of history in order to tell all of the history and so i don't know, i think that's what i would encourage other historians who have done the hard work and done all the research is maybe make a version of what you're publishing is kind of like unfiltered, uncensored, on academic lingo whether it's in the new york times or vice. because kids should beknowing all of the history . >> when jim hubbard and i started the active world history project in 2001 and i want to invite people to come to our website, it's act up oral history.org and we interviewed hundred 88 surviving members over 18 years and we had 14 million hits on our site so when we started the p

it was almost like you were there when j edgar hoover was in charge. it is extraordinary, the kind of rankcor you got. >> i had come for the cia, where i had no issues whatsoever between the genders at all and i think i was always naive that the fbi would be the same way. they are all part of kind of the same community and it could not have been more not like that. >> i had a hard time grasping it until you used a phrase that made total sense to me. you said it was junior high all over again. it was cliques, people back each other. it was not you dealing with a jealous potential coworker. the instructors themselves were pushing this narrative that you should not be there. >> the narrative started on my first day at the academy. you are kind of in a theater-ish type of room. everyone stands up and says will be used to do and introduce themselves. i stood up and everyone started rolling their eyes and calling me a liar, that i never had worked in the cia. that was what was so shocking to me. you had not come there to do my background check. it is not tha

tgs almost like you were there when jay edgar hoover was in charge. it's extraordinary, the kind of ran kor you got at the fbi. >> i had come from the cia where i had no issues between the genders. and i think i was almost naive that the fbi would be the same way. they're all part of the same community, and it could not have been more not like that. you used a phrase that made total sense to me. it was junior high all over again, clicks, people back stabbing and the teachers were the ring leaders of all of this. it wasn't just you dealing with a jealous potential coworker, the instructors themselves were pushing this narrative that you shouldn't be there. >> i think the narrative all started on my very first day at the academy. i don't know if they still do this, but you're kind of in a theaterish type of room with desks and everybody has to stand up and introduce themselves. i stood up and said my name and where i used to work, and introduced myself. everyone rolled my eyes, and started calling me a liar, that i never had worked at the cia. you had t

edgar hoover was in charge. it's extraordinary the rancor you got at the fbi. >> what was always crazy to me was i had come from the cia where i had no issues whatsoever between the genders at all, and i think i was almost naive that the fbi would be the same way. they're all part of the same community and it could not have been more not like that. >> i mean, you mentioned -- i had a hard time grasping it believe you used a phrase that made sense to me and it was junior high and it was cliques and people backstabbing each other and talking behind each other's backs and they were the ring leaders of all this. so it wasn't just you dealing with a jealous potential coworker, the instructors themselves were pushing this narrative that you shouldn't be there. >> when i think the narrative all started on my very first day at the academy, i don't know if they still do this, but you're kind of in a theater-ish type of room and everyone has to sort of stand up and say what they used to do and introduce themselves so i st

edgar hoover building in washington where agents are watching vandalism across the country and i also spoke with fbi director chris wray. >> the violence and destruction of property we've been seeing in certain parts of the country is illegal and it needs to stop now. equal justice is essential, but violence and destruction of property is not the way to ensure it. >> the white house also looking at coronavirus cases increasing across the country. no doubt, a spike in states like arizona, florida, also texas. there, things are so bad, governor gregg abbott made the decision to close bars and he may close more. you're seeing the video yesterday of the first public coronavirus briefing in about two months following a coronavirus task force meeting. >> you have an individual responsibility to yourself, but you have a societal responsibility because if we want to end this outbreak, really end it, and then hopefully when a vaccine comes and puts the nail in the coffin, we've got to realize that we are part of the process. >> on that video there you saw dr. deborah birx taking off her mask b

edgar hoover when went to the fbi building with him. he had all of the credentials.nd for a democrat to walk his own party and endorse the president for re-election that, is the first time i covered -- well, i covered the '68 riots. but i then covered the protests against nixon at the '72 convention in miami. the first time i was ever tear gassed. this brings back the re-election, the election of '68 and re-election of '72 of richard nixon. that is the playbook in donald trump's brain, i think. >> we shall see. andrea mitchell, thank you for that perspective. katy, over to you. >> you bet. >> chuck, joining us now is msnbc legal analyst maya wiley. really great to you have today. i know we're waiting on the charges to be announced for the three other officers. run through what might be on the table. >> good to be with you, katy. you know, what might be on the table is aiding and abetting. that means that the other officers -- two elements, the other officers helped, supported, were complicit in the death of mr. george floyd in a way that is intentional and intentiona

originally was agitation and self management, then j edgar hoover came up with dissent.ost: you said you came from a law force that perspective. are you an officer? caller: i will give my agency, but yes. host: ok, wanted to do your background, sounded like you had quite a bit of experience. training, you brought it up, if you could fix one thing in the training of officers, particularly in difficult situations, what would it be? your caller said, a vast majority of all enforcement officers i would say, they have no desire to do harm when they come into work. it's certain situations, certain biases and prejudices that we are all born with the kind of take over certain things. if i had one desire it would be crosstraining. first and foremost, it's always dangerous when you hire outside the community. you have situations where a city could be predominately 70% black , but the police force is 75% white, that's always dangerous. i would cross train my officers. i would take officers from, say, metropolitan areas and send them to a rural area for eight months to 12 month to w