in 2016, joseph took on the role of famed nsa whistleblower edward snowden. left a lasting impression. the deputy director of the nsa offered me a new position. can you tell me anything about it? you know i can't. the kind of democratisation that social media gives us, the fact that now, you know, people are able to get their ideas, their creative ideas out there, do you think that people are tending towards those likes and those clicks and those follows? is that kind of focusing in the wrong way the type of content that people are putting out there? i think the biggest problem is actually the way that some of these companies make money with the technology, the business model, as they say. that they offer a service for free in exchange for the right to kind of spy on people, collect massive amounts of data. i do think there is something kind of poisonous about that to creativity, when right at the seed of your creation, you're like, well, how many followers is that going to get me? is that going to do well on twitter? is that going to get a lot of likes? like

in 2016, joseph took on the role of famed nsa whistleblower edward snowden. offered me a new position. can you tell me anything about it? you know i can't. the kind of democratisation that social media gives us, the fact that now, you know, people are able to get their ideas, their creative ideas out there, do you think that people are tending towards those likes and those clicks and those follows? is that kind of focusing in the wrong way the type of content that people are putting out there? i think the biggest problem is actually the way that some of these companies make money with the technology, the business model, as they say. that they offer a service for free in exchange for the right to kind of spy on people, collect massive amounts of data. i do think there is something kind of poisonous about that to creativity, when right at the seed of your creation, you're like, well, how many followers is that going to get me? is that going to do well on twitter? is that going to get a lot of likes? like, these aren't the questions you ideally want to be asking

in 2016, joseph took on the role of famed nsa whistleblower edward snowden.ffered me a new position. can you tell me anything about it? you know i can't. the kind of democratisation that social media gives us, the fact that now, you know, people are able to get their ideas, their creative ideas out there, do you think that people are tending towards those likes and those clicks and those follows? is that kind of focusing in the wrong way the type of content that people are putting out there? i think the biggest problem is actually the way that some of these companies make money with the technology, the business model, as they say. that they offer a service for free in exchange for the right to kind of spy on people, collect massive amounts of data. i do think there is something kind of poisonous about that to creativity, when right at the seed of your creation, you're like, well, how many followers is that going to get me? is that going to do well on twitter? is that going to get a lot of likes? like, these aren't the questions you ideally want to be asking y

in 2016, joseph took on the role of famed nsa whistleblower edward snowden.ffered me a new position. can you tell me anything about it? you know i can't. the kind of democratisation that social media gives us, the fact that now, you know, people are able to get their ideas, their creative ideas out there, do you think that people are tending towards those likes and those clicks and those follows? is that kind of focusing in the wrong way the type of content that people are putting out there? i think the biggest problem is actually the way that some of these companies make money with the technology, the business model, as they say. that they offer a service for free in exchange for the right to kind of spy on people, collect massive amounts of data. i do think there is something kind of poisonous about that to creativity, when right at the seed of your creation, you're like, well, how many followers is that going to get me? is that going to do well on twitter? is that going to get a lot of likes? like, these aren't the questions you ideally want to be asking y

the history of whistle blowing in the united states across you mention many others and there's edward snowden and there are many many others but she has she she did the right thing she reported war crimes which she had a duty to do and and she has. based nothing but harassment and trauma ever since and refuses to help the government to convey actually in the signage why is that issue important for the government some kind of evidence that julian was complicit in the fast why is that an important legal issue for them well because wiki leaks did what many other newspapers did as well any and many other publications as we've said and in order to bring it out of the protected 1st amendment freedom of the press category they need to show that julian assange stole these documents and he did something above and beyond what the new york times does speak alone the guardian did and they think that chelsea manning can help them prove that but she will not do that when from your observations how would you assess what's happening in the british courtroom as a legal scholar i think that you know of course

your biggest taxpayer funded industries the military what do you make of the fact that after edward snowden who sought refuge in moscow after revealing mass surveillance how that mass surveillance the telephone calls not being able to be used for track and trace for a pandemic threatening us all well i would not sure if i agree with that i think many countries that been using that in. the news for better and for worse but not the n.s.a. cia program that was a real way snowden is that being used to save american lives i don't think it is i mean certainly not in terms of being deployed to help with endemic stuff i mean i don't i don't think there we would even consider the american response as anything organized at the national national level there isn't a national program for response to coronavirus here it's all been to fall down to the local and state levels in fact the federal government set off a black market competition between states for better waiters i would say i wouldn't quite classify it the u.s. responses being. even at the level of basic. you know there is no tracing other and s

for his role in the revelations about us surveillance and contract or edward snowden he has a co founded the intercept an investigative. news outlets and he's been living for several years in brazil he joins us from rio de janeiro thank youu very much for being with us today mr greenwald. good to be with you. mr green well obviously you've kept a close eye on what's happening in the u. s. you've been a vocal critics of the left and the media is a so called obsession with russia let's read ties to. president trump i want to begin with the killing of george floyd in minnesota it has a lease and with a wave of protests across the u. s. and even- beat. but i went out ababout something susan rice wih president obama's national security adviser. said she suggested that russia was tearing up the protest and that based on her experience i'm putting her now this is right out of the russian play book. i would not be surprised to learn that they have fermented some of the extremists on both sides. or that it funded this in some way shape or form. what's your reaction. yeah i mean i think it reflect

her a tsunami and what did hillary clinton why was she very angry with julian assange should edward snowden what did you and sometimes reveal he revealed what she said member bernie sanders said you must be given some great speeches for 3 quarters of a 1000000 dollars you know 20 minute speeches each and and we now know thanks to a claim is that julian assange gave us that material. through wiki leaks you learn sitting there with lloyd blankfein one of the architects of the whole wall street us all she says you guys are so smart you have to come with me to washington to fix these economic problems and that's what was revealed the message to heart of russia that is it you know what were the big c. rist a big applause had nothing to do with numbers and not the provinces and screwing around the internet and had to do with real it reveal not the desk that who was up to his eyeballs in all this stuff was how to attack bernie and undermine him and not reveal the content of hillary clinton's shameless speeches to wall street where she defended and she said what a smart guy you'll know how to fix t

whistleblower edward snowden chillingly tweeted this is the story of your future told today. so let's take a dive into the bay's future dangers as we start watching the whole. you want to what's going on a city you street you want to. listen to what she says see the prices joyce state. rice grace suggests least systemic deception is to late show which will be some big deal as. well corben watching the hawks i am tired i'm. bored mr so look at this the 1st known case of facial recognition technology fingering someone for a crime did not commit whatsoever because it just couldn't read minority faces that well. from eyewitness testimony. you are digital technology somehow discrimination still things to find its way. it's frustrating it's aggravating the fact that there was a young child present when he was arrested is also extremely problematic but the thing that i look at here is that there's so many people who counted on this being the make or break technology to where you know we would have a eradicated humans actually having to decide who committed the crimes and then the fi

he can vary due to edward snowden. >> the president was quoted months ago, the fact that mike pompeos this part for his course. >> bret: the south koreans have weighed in and those consultations are made on a mutual trust violates the principles of diplomacy and could severely damage future negotiations. not a lot of people are happy about this book. >> if you don't write the truth about these things, at a point where the voters in south korea and the voters in the united states could act on it, i think you are doing a disservice to the people. >> you did many interviews after the summit in singapore where you said it was a success and that american interests were protected. you were pressed again on the face the nation. >> and the national security advisor, not the national security decision maker. >> bret: but you're right in the book that you were mad, you are upset. he did not take your advice on iran and china but you weren't the decision-maker. >> that is correct, and ultimately that's why i resigned. the point is at least i can speak for myself, but i think for many others who

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compared you to edward snowden. the president just yesterday says you're a low life who should be in jail. those are amazing statements coming from the right and the left. >> yeah. for very different reasons. i would say on the democratic criticism i'm sure they're unhappy. they failed. not only did they fail, they misunderthe impact and the consequences of their decisions. the idea that the impeachment but failure to convict the president would inhibit the president was exactly the opposite of the effect it had. by taking this to trial in the senate and seeing him acquitted, they empowered the president. look, if i wanted to make money i never would have joined the government. i'd have stayed in the private sector. i tried to present this in book form. >> you are going to make billions of dollars. >> i don't know. if president trump has his way maybe i won't. i'm prepared to accept that. i'm going to contest it because i think he is wrong. i wrote this book for history and that is why i've been engaged in public li

when we saw what happened when people classify informationre le edward snowden. what john bolton did here is not a similar format and while we will leave open for the justice department to take action, this kind of information getting out prisons will risk and real harm to america. >> sean: the ever forgetful joe biden. the leader of al qaeda in yemen is dead. i don't see any possibility, president trump gave nothing to kim jong un, that allowed return, just a little bit of his time. and i don't see this president given 150 billion in cash and other currencies to the arranging -- so his half of o2 bike and will go in that direction. onto more important things. with peter navarro and hugh taking lead lead on china. apparently we have no issues involving the trade deal and other new developments, this is significant tonight. >> so i spent the day with my counterparts boss in hawaii lasg week. trying to understand why unearth the chinese communist party isn engaged in activities that are and i think we understand that it's ideological for them, uwhether that's are t

surveillance , provisions, mass surveillance, are still in effect, even after the revelations by edward snowden and the seeming impetus to reform. so sadly, i agree with eugene that surveillance is likely to increase, not decrease. with respect to your great question to me, julia the devil , is in the details. and that is why it is really important that a specific criteria in determining who will be eligible for removal, and what kind of removal, it doesn't necessarily mean outright removal, is really, really important. one very real concern is the absence of opportunities for reintegration that exists in our current cluster of laws and regulations which makes people incarcerated,n who have been convicted, ineligible for a whole host of opportunities and services that would seem to be necessary and order to up them make a successful transition back into society. so it is not enough just to dump them out, so to speak. we need a lot of other reforms and it may be hard to do that in , a time of such great economic difficulty, with such high unemployment rates. so you are very right to point this r

surveillance provisions, mass surveillance, are still in effect coming even after the revelations by edward snowden. so, sadly, i agree with eugene that surveillance is likely to increase, not decrease. with respect to your great , the deado me, julia work -- the devil is in the details. that is why it is really specific that you are in determining who will be eligible for removal. it does not necessarily mean outright. it's really, really important. one return is the absence of that exists in our current cluster of laws and regulations which makes people who have been incarcerated in eligible for a whole host of opportunities -- in eligible -- ible for a whole host of opportunities to make a successful tradition -- transition into society. it's not just to help them out. we need a lot of other reforms and it may be hard to do that in a time of such great economic difficulty. right to point out this requires a lot more thinking. >> let me ask if you have anything you would like to add or ask? >> on the issue of surveillance, this is one of the biggest everyone thinks these lockdowns will end and we

extended and those surveillance provisions are still in effect, even after the revelations by edward snowden. . eugenely, i agree with that surveillance is likely to increase and not decrease. with respect to your great devil is inlia, the the details. that is why it is really important that specific criteria for determining who will be eligible for removal and what kind of removal does not --, isrily mean really important. one very worrying turn is the absence of opportunities for integration that exist in our current cluster of laws and regulations, which makes people who have been incarcerated and have been convicted, ineligible for a whole host of thattunities and services seem necessary in order to help successful transition back into society. stop is not enough just to them, we need a lot of other reforms, and it may be hard to do that in a time of such great economic difficulties, with the high unemployment rates. you are right to point out that this requires a lot more thinking and planning and further policy steps. >> let me ask if you have anything you would like to add or ask? and

channel, you can see a longer cut of our chat, where he talks about what it was like to meet edward snowden headlines today: three people have died after multiple stabbings ata park in reading — another three are seriously injured. this is the scene in the town this morning. one man has been arrested, police have launched a murder inquiry. good news for tourists and holiday home owners — spain opens its doors to visitors from the uk. we nevertheless are doing this out of respect for the 400,000 british citizens that have a second residence in spain and that are dying to benefit from their homes in our country. in oklahoma, president trump goes back on the road for his first re—election campaign rally since the coronavirus outbreak. and in sport, arsenal are told to learn some humility after a last—minute defeat to brighton sees frustrations boil over at the end of the game. morning. heavy overnight rain is clearing away quite nicely to leave a sunday of sunny spells and scattered showers, but accompanied by blustery winds. details coming up. it's sunday, the 21st ofjune. good morning. our t

channel, you can see a longer cut of our chat, where he talks about what it was like to meet edward snowdento iplayer, you can see the full—length version of this show. yes, as ever, you can find the team on social media, on youtube, instagram, facebook and twitter @bbcclick. thanks for watching, and we'll see you soon. bye— bye. hello, this is breakfast with rachel burden and jon kay. good morning, here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. a review into the two metre social distancing rule will conclude "within the coming days", according to the government. it comes amid warnings many businesses will not survive under the current guidance, as the government prepares to ease more restrictions onjuly the 4th. pubs, restaurants and hotels are among those hoping to reopen. pubs could be patrolled and people could be encouraged to use apps to order drinks. passengers arriving at uk airports could soon pay to be swabbed to find out if they have coronavirus. the firms behind the trial — which is expected to start within weeks — are hoping a that a negative result would allow people