enders tegno, he's like sweden's version of dr. fauci.e was almost like a cult figure, people knew his name, they were getting his face tattooed on their bodies. i was amazed at his candor. what do you say to critics who say the policy is too risky, you're just rolling the dice and hoping it's going to work? >> i think everybody is rolling the dice and wondering if it is going to work. and that's lockdown or any kind of measures, because nobody has ever tried it before. >> the strategy was risky. they had a higher death toll than their immediate neighbors, significantly higher than norway, finland, and denmark. but the key point was the government trusted its citizens enough to follow the advice and the people trusted their government enough to buy in to the national plan. and they weren't the only ones. >>> italy is one of the countries that had the capacity to react and did. they were a little slow off the mark. but after a couple of weeks, they already knew what they were dealing with, and they had a plan. bergamo is a wonderful mediev