right and george floyd is not the 1st and as we've seen just since his murder he's not the last full intil real change happens you can't let up. most americans are now in favor of police reform with each protest the momentum towards change that was stronger. it's also been a weekend of protests against racism and injustice in the german capital and across the country there was a human chain through much of berlin on sunday but the proportions for meaning and force participants have to keep their distance and wear face masks. many germans of color feel they are under represented in the country especially in public office. in this constituency of he talked about how he had experienced discrimination and what changes he would like to see. in 2013 he was one of the 1st 2 months to be elected to determine parliament in january d.c. where an attack was shot at his office in the eastern german city of hadera racism is something to snake at least politician has to be for his. jarome in the last few years to tone has changed and many people have experienced hostile tendencies coming from mainstream

financial rights this is about human rights and human dignity so you know i hope they keep protesting intil change really comes about or sim big turnout in the election do you think. i think we're going to see it and then turn out in the election i think what's just happened now with all you know everything coming out it's no longer just the blacks protesting it's white latino it's everybody men and women young and old they've had enough and my opinion they should have had enough this is enough this is crazy what's going on here and i don't think people still want to see the government that we have that is in my opinion corrupt full of light years nobody having any compassion for what's really happening in our world today as far as who's in office i think people want to change i hope they turn out because if they don't turn out we're not going to have a change so you think we're going to have a change in the office and pray that we do but i can tell you this even if bided wins no way is trump going to give up that seat he is not going to concede he's going to tell everybody that lection was

intil now pity joining me from toronto is john ralston saul the president emeritus of pan international and the author of several books that are profoundly shaped my own thinking including voltaire's bastards and the collapse of globalism john let's begin by discussing term you use in your books to describe them technocratic elite you call them systems managers and i've been struck as the pandemic has unfolded in the united states how these system manners do just what you have predicted they do which is serve the system even when that's counterproductive not only to the common good even when it's not of course rational but even when it when it's self destructive. merely intrastate thing is that you're if you're trying to govern the essence of a civil service is on the one hand they're professionals and on the other hand they have to they have to search for the president yes but that has to be limited by their in dependence from politics and their own ethical standards so that if you actually look at the history of civil services they're all about this balance between professionalism ser