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joining me now, joyce vance, professor at alabama school of law and msnbc contributor. thank you for being with us. i'm always fascinated by the low hanging fruit we can't get down, right? with daca, with basic gun laws, the stuff that an overwhelming number of americans support, but we can't get past even the basics on this one. i want to put up for our viewers the difference between the gop suggestions and the democratic suggestions. the democratic side would ban choke holds. the gop would incentivize dopts do -- departments to do so. the dems would amend the federal civil rights law, the gop wouldn't. the dems would change qualified immunity that prevents police from being sued, the gop wouldn't. and the same thing with no-knock warrants. it would be banned in drug cases and the gop would collect state data. it's not even terrible the gop suggestions, but the fact somebody we can't find common ground on this. why? >> well, it's a difficult question to move forward on, but the republican bill in this case was such weak sauce that the democrats feared that if they agre

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let me bring in joyce vance. she is uniquely qualified, having served as u.s.ttorney for the northern district of alabama, which includes talladega, for eight years during the ode babama administr. let me start with something that sam just said, they're looking for a violations of federal law. what might that be, joyce? >> well, chris, it is hard to know until you know who the suspects are and what the evidence looks like. there is a misdemeanor violation in this area for someone acting not under color of law, not a police officer, not a government issue, who makes a racially motivated threat like this. also, in civil rights cases, i've often found that early on in the interviewing phase, people will lie about their participation and it is possible the charge of statute we became familiar with, the michael flynn case, that charge is lying to fbi agents during an official investigation, and that's often how the situations are resolved. >> yeah, let's hone in more on how they might get to the bottom of this. you would think they would have looked through all the

attorney for the northern district of alabama, joyce vance and former u.s.istrict of michigan, barbara mcquaid, and the bbc's katty kay is back with us. joyce, we'll start with you and aaron zelinsky testimony that there was pressure exerted to cut roger stone a break. let's just start because we've seen this stew of corruption over the last few years. how unusual is that kind of pressure, in your experience? >> i don't think unusual begins to catch what's going on here. it's unprecedented. i spent 25 years at doj. i can't think of a single case i was involved in where political pressure was successfully brought to bear. if there was even a suggestion of it, everyone in my office, from the u.s. attorney down through the supervisors to the line prosecutors would have slapped it down and found it to be unacceptable. and, you know, what we say at doj is we prosecute without fear or without favor, willie. now what we see is that prosecutions favor the president's friends and people who are opposed to the president have to live in fear of what he might direct his

attorney joyce vance, who is a frequent guest on this broadcast, wrote an op-ed in "time" today, saying americans need to know the truth about berman's firing. she writes this about the attorney general, quote, barr lost his way a long time ago, and perhaps nowhere has this been truer or at least more blatantly public than with barr's initial failed attempt and subsequent successful firing of the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, an office so protective of its notorious independence that it is widely referred to as the sovereign district of new york. just tonight jerry nadler, he of the house judiciary committee, democratic side, said he is starting the process of issuing a subpoena to barr over the firing of berman. we're also hearing much more from the president's former national security adviser john bolton. over the weekend, a federal judge ruled his widely anticipated book could be published. good news because it's been printed and shipped, and while it officially comes out at the top of the next hour, it's already arriving in homes. but the judge suggested bolto

joining us is joyce vance, and retired nypd detective and president of the black law enforcement alliancegood to have you with us. and mark, let me start you with. the claim of outside groups disrupting protests. i have covered protests before in oakland, where we have seen that there were arrested people who came from way outside of california. just to come to oakland and break stuff. so it's not like this is unfounded historically. but now, that there's talk about antifa and bugaloo boys and many groups that the american people are hearing about for the first time, from a law enforcement perspective, what do you do? >> first of all, you have to accept the fact that there has been a shift in the culture, and that it is no longer a straight-up protest, or individual, singular, organizations, that have a primary focus, who work towards that one goal. there are opportunists who have infiltrated these organizations, and these events, and they are extremists, and i think it is undeniable, the intelligence information that's been released publicly, can validate and verify that, they are in obv

is joyce vance, former u.s.a, now a professor at the university of alabama school of law, lucky for us she's also a msnbc contributor. how does someone without legal training take into consideration that the police officer was fired immediately the city's police chief resigned immediately, what do those moves foretell about what's about too happen in. >> nicolle, i think they tell us less about whether there will be charges in this case but more the direction that policing needs to go in this country. the legal standard here is very difficult to prove, to be charged as a murder you have to have a killing that's both unlawful and intentional, i think that's a difficult burden here for prosecutors to meet in court. but that tells us nothing about the reality of the need as you were just now discussing for police to learn how de-escalate events like this. someone who's drunk in a car should never result in this situation. police need an entirely different tool kit. when the only tool in your tool kit is a hammer, e

attorney joyce vance, paul butler, msnbc legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, and u.s.ey barbara quaid. congresswoman, what do you make of william barr's very succinct description of his behavior? >> it doesn't hold any water. we have seen from the moment he auditioned for the position of attorney general that he was auditioning for one, the president. and sadly in every action he has taken, he has used his office and the mighty power of the attorney general to be a political arm, a fixer, if you will, for the president. i have the privilege of being in both the hearings with mr. zelinsky, mr. ayres, mr. elias. but interesting s.e.c. chairman clayton in front of financial services. what you see is attorney general barr not acting independently, not acting as an attorney. he misrepresents before the american people chronically on behalf of the president and then tries to instill fear in othes s who won't do so. >> i mean, i guess the question then is what can the public do about it? here is a list of what barr has done that we know of. he put up that fake version of it t

joining us is joyce vance, and retired nypd detective and president of the black law en forcement alliance mark claxton. good to have you with us. and mark, let me start you with. the claim of outside groups disrupting protests. i have covered protests before in oakland, where we have seen that there were arrested people who came from way outside of california. just to come to oakland and break stuff. so it's not like this is unfounded historically. but now, that there's talk about antifa and bugaloo boys and many groups that the american people are hearing about for the first time, from a law enforcement perspective, what do you do? >> first of all, you have to accept the fact that there has been a shift in the culture, and that it is no longer a straight-up protest, or individual, singular, organizations, that have a primary focus, who work towards that one goal. there are opportunists who have infiltrated these organizations, and these events, and they are extremists, and i think it is undeniable, the intelligence information that's been released publicly, can validate and verify that,

i think we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. >> joyce vance, joyce, thank you so much for joinings. always good to see your face. we appreciate it. chuck, back to you. >>> absolutely. up next, texas' attorney general is vowing to fight today's supreme court decision upholding daca. we'll get reaction from joaquin castro when he joins us next. how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. car vending machines and buying a car 100% online.vented now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old, we want to buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate, answer a few questions, and our techno-wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot, and pick up your car. that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way-- at carvana. some companies still have hr stuck between employeesentering data.a. changing data. more and more sensitive, personal data. a