i spoke recently with keisha blain, an associate professor of history at the ttiversity of urgh and authorf "set the world on fire: black natie onalist women and obal struggle for freedom." dr. blain, it seems, as we have this national conversation that's been prompted in part by george floyd's death, that there is something ee that we're missing when it comes to an entire gender that'struggling with the same things. >> yes, i think so. in fact, many activists in the lastew weeks have been pointing out the fact that even before the police killing of george floyd, breonna taylor was killed by the police, an e.m.t. worker in louisville, kentucky. and activists have been insisting that we really p attention to this case. to tryhis ay, the police officers who-- who killed taylor have not been arrested. and i think more and more people are surely talking abt brianna taylor, but that was just one example of how black women's experiences are often sideled in national narratives about american policing. >> sreenivasan: there was a whole "say her name" campaign that was quitesuccessful in trying to

keisha blaine and rashard richie. >> we need more fusic from them as well. msnbc, this program, the road to reform, joy reid is hosting tonight at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. check it out. but coming up right here on msnbc, we do have a lot ahead. we're going to cover the very latest from overseas. and the pandemic impact on europe and european leaders. the european union is about to ban most americans from traveling there. but what about the u.s. ban on european travelers. >> what does president trump think about the kind of job he's doing so far and does he think he'll get re-elected? t re-electd if your child doesn't seem themself at times, they may not be hydrated enough. wabba wabba! all new, plant powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need, with the fruit flavors they love, and 1 gram of sugar. find new creative roots in the kids' juice aisle. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is

i'm been speaking to keisha blain, who is an associate professor of history at the university of pittsburghast ten days was now changing to something more optimistic. i think so. i think several recent developments suggest that we might be moving in the right direction. certainly with changes to the police department in minneapolis. we're still waiting for details to unfold, but based on what we've heard so far, it seems that we are beginning to move closer to making, i think, some meaningful changes. what is america polarised on this? when you see how donald trump is reacting to this idea of defunding or disbanding the police department, i mean, he is the polar opposite, isn't he of calling for changes? he is, but that's not too surprising. given his record. we've long seen how his attitude toward policing, toward black communities, so we're not too surprised by his response. i think what is encouraging is just the way people are coming together collectively across the nation, but also across the globe, recognising this is a moment where we could, in fact, change the system. i think that i

i'm keisha blaine i'm currently an associate professor of history at the university of pittsburgh i studied 20th century u.s. history african-american history african diaspora history and women's and understands right she's going to bring tunis glory call context to this conversation welcome keesha hello felicia tell our audience here you are hi everyone my name is felipe coming out and i am a minneapolis city council member and i represent the 4th ward which is a north minneapolis good to have you call it felipe and damon comes back to the strange welcome back. thanks for having me back when you're here author of what doesn't kill you makes for founder of very smart brother the senior editor at the root. yes let me just share this tweet with the straight away from africans the night they knew we were going to have this conversation desist dam reaction really cried when i saw the video of this policeman with his needle on george's neck to. i pray that this will be the last time we ever hear a senseless police killing of unarmed african in the us i have my doubts later in capsaicin a 2 sides

let's bring in professor professor let's speak now to keisha blain — an associate professor of historyfrom cambridge, in massachussets. interesting actually that you got the two most prominent white politicians in the state there on the front row, you've got the mayor and the governor. have you been impressed by the things that you have heard from them? not necessarily. i think part of what i would like to emphasise is that at this moment, and is much as we can have conversations and can talk about the importance of making changes, and we can even call for police officers to be convicted, what i would like to see are some tangible steps forward. i think we talk a lot as a nation, and i would like to see us move from talking to action. because that is what is neededin action. because that is what is needed in this moment. so you don't think that there has been enough action taken thus far, you are not encouraged by the fact that all the politicians at the moment were, just saying that there needs to be changed and racism within the police force needs to be rooted out? knowl am not encou