king, selma marchers, the freedom wriers and represented mohamed ali and policing and voting and everye on capitol hill, and we just try to really focus on the way in which the law has to work to bring equality and equal citizenship to everyone. >> stephen: this moment we're in now of protests against the overpolicing and violence against the black community is extraordinary. over 2,000 cities and towns have had protests, even places where there isn't a large black community. what do you make of this moment and how can it be sustained and used to make lasting change? >> well, it's a powerful moment. i doesn't spring from nowhere. it is very much connected to the protests that we saw in 2014 when eric garner was choked to death by police officers in new york and said "i can't breathe, and when mike brown was killed in ferguson, and the following year freddie gray, and walter scott in south carolina, the state you're from, and, you know, there was a pretty sustained kind of movement around policing reform during those years, and there's a through line to this. but i do think that this mo