writer jonathan capehart, maya wily, university professor at the new school, also with me nicolle hannah jones, staff writer for "the new york times magazine" who focuses on racial injustice. a big thanks to all of you for joining me this morning. i'll start with you, nicole, the significance of this moment we find ourselves in right now. another family mourning their loved one. but unlike a lot of other men and women who died under similar circumstances in this country, this particular death at this particular moment has triggered something we have not seen in this country before. >> yeah, i think we're all trying to figure out what this moment is ultimately going to mean, to see this sustained level of protest over the course of weeks. i think it has a lot of to do with the nature of this particular killing. anybody with a beating heart should have been absolutely devastated by what we saw on video. and i think we are seeing people saying enough is enough. and there is a collective mourning and a collective grief and a collective outrage, that we can no longer have a society where people can

nicole hannah jones, as a black woman, as a journalist, as an american, i am deeply ashamed that we ranthis put black "new york times" staffers in danger" this piece was inflammatory and endorsing military occupation as if the constitution doesn't exist. and op-ed page is supposed to foster debate. james bennett said it's important to run counter arguments though we understand that many readers find to senator cotton's opinion painful, even dangerous. he backs the principle of openness to a range of opinions even those he may disagree with. >> they stood up to the woke progressive mob in their own newsroom and i come commend them of that. >> the media are overwhelmingly critical, often in harsh language. "donald trump's fascist performance." the president, meanwhile, if you watch fake news, cnn, you would think that the killers, terrorists, arsonists, anarchists, hoodlums, looters, and others would be the nicest, kindest, most wonderful people in the whole wide world, we couldn't find any to make anyone on those networks praising killers, arsonists, or thugs but nicole hannah jones did

howard: i was going to is ask you about the nicole hannah jones comment, that was pretty stunning, buton't see anchors and journalists praising those who are carrying out the destruction. met me -- met me get moe in here, there are two issues here, how they cover the minority of violent extremists, but there are media voices on the right arguing that journalists here are on the side of lawlessness. your thoughts. >> yeah. and i think those voices on the right that are saying the media's on the side of lawlessness are further just trying to stoke division. look, an overwhelming majority of people in the media are able to draw the distinction between those who are rioting, those who are causing violence and peaceful protesters. i watch, i consume a lot of news, and watching all of the cable news, reading a lot, they are calling out the rioters, they are calling out the looters, they are calling out those who have hijacked the peaceful protest movement and separating them. the protesters should be able to demonstrate peacefully and that the memory of george floyd is being dishonored by th

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nicole hannah jones, jonathan capehart, a big thanks to you. and professor wiley.olle wallace will pick things up after a short break. >>> george floyd is being laid to rest at this hour following a moving funeral service in his hometown of houston. one that honored his memory and his legacy, a revolution in his name. we are joined by eddie glaude. your thoughts about what you just saw. >> nicolle, i think we just saw the latest in a long line of public rituals of grieving. we have seen these funerals before. three things came to mind as i watched the service. grief, faith and hope. we have to deal with the fact that this family has to put george floyd in the grave. and i kept thinking of 1 corinthians 15. death, where is thy sting? grave, where is thy victory? that we have to deal with the fact that they are confronting intimate loss. we can make george floyd a symbol, but he was their brother. he wise their uncle, their cousin, their family. and we have to deal with that fact. so i saw grief. and i also saw faith that the way in which you grapple with the grave,

with me now is nicole hannah jones.r prize journalist and the author of a new article entitled "what is owed." great to see you. you actually mention, you tweeted that you weren't sure about putting this article out here. you weren't sure it was time to be written but you decided it was time for white america not just to read books, not to be allies and not for companies to say the right things but to understand there is an actual debt that can be monetized that is owed to descendents of slaves. tell me how you conceptualize this. >> absolutely. so i had been researching an essay for reparations that was going to be part of the 1619 book project but it wasn't to come out until sometime next year, but as i was watching people taking to the streets and these protests, i just kept thinking, we're not actually getting to the root of black disadvantage in this country. you know, slavery and jim crow were systems of economic exploitation above all else and they led to the extraction of wealth from black americans and the inab

let me bring them in now beginning with jemele hill, nicole hannah jones of "the new york times" and the founder of the 1619 project, the pulitzer prize winner, and karen attiah from "the washington post" running the global opinions project at "the washington post." thank you all for coming on the program today. jemele, i hope you can set the table for us about the reality of news room diversity and for what it's like for african-american reporters and writers to be covering but also living this story. >> well, the reality is that newsroom adversity is still awful and that it has remained a consistent problem in our business. and so i think what you're seeing is that a lot of black journalists having to experience the trauma of what is happening generally to black people in this country are also having to deal with newsrooms who are inadequate when it comes to diversity and inclusion. how can you cover this moment when your own news room doesn't reflect the community or the country that you cover? so it's a constant battle i think a lot of black journalists we face in news rooms, in

writer jonathan capehart, maya wily, university professor at the new school, also with me nicolle hannah joneswriter for "the new york times magazine" who focuses on racial injustice. a big thanks to all of you for joining me this morning. i'll start with you, nicole, the significance of this moment we find ourselves in right now. another family mourning their loved one. but unlike a lot of other men and women who died under similar circumstances in this country, this particular death at this particular moment has triggered something we have not seen in this country before. >> yeah,

>> joining me nicole hannah jones, journalist with "new york times" magazine and tremaine lee, msnbc correspondent and host of the fantastic into america podcast. thanks to both of you for being here. nicolle, we have a poll that indicates stuff that we know. americans think this is out of control. they should because it is. but we also have polls that have indicated that most americans believe that african americans are treated unfairly by the police and there is a growing movement of people who think we either need to redirect police resources or defund the police or give the police adequate training to do their jobs. is what joe biden just said going to be enough resources, federal resources to help police do what they are supposed to do better? >> no, i don't think that is going to be enough. i don't think that's what americans are calling for. we should take a second and pause on how astounding these poll numbers are. never in modern american history have we seen such large numbers of americans acknowledging that racism among policing is widespread but also in general society. th

one tweet came from the "new york times" magazine writer nicole hannah jones saying i'll probably get in trouble for this but to not say something would be immoral. as a black woman, as a journalist, as an american i am deeply ashamed that we ran this. taking note from the sidelines, veteran journalist, multi emmy award winning broadcaster jeff greenfield weighed in. he said, about senator cotton's op-ed of the "new york times," if you don't want an op-ed page that prints views you strongly disagree with you don't really want an op-ed page. you want a my-ed page. for sharing his thoughts, greenfield then became the brunt of enmity including from "new york times" opinion columnist who replied saying this. free and open discourse carries an implicit within the accepted bounds of democratic society. now the "new york times" has said it won't run senator cotton's essay in tomorrow's print edition as planned. by the way, i want to know what you think. go to my website this hour. smerconish.com. answer this week's survey question. should they be running it in sunday's print edition? now, he

we have to provide a stimulus to make up for that inequality. >> nicole hannah jones thank you for writing and coming on to talk about it. her latest piece is in "the new york times magazine". eugene scott thank you. >>> coming up the president says democrats are harder to work with than the leaders of russia and north carolinkorea. a and north carolinkorea. ot some tips to help you get through these challenging times. first, practice physical distancing. i'm sorry, i did not see you there. i've been doing it my whole life. or there. plus, there are lots of things you can do at home. like, stay active with some sick dance moves. be daring. and whip up a new dish. i love the combination of gummy bears and meat. you can do video calls for all of your important meetings. what? sorry. or just have some fun. ok, not that much fun. now, this does not come naturally to me. but, try to be kind to each other. this is a tough time for everyone. so that's it. stay home. stay healthy. and remember, we're all in this together. what? but totally separate. you know what i mean. yaaaaay! it combines power

she will be talking with black thought leaders, activists and artists including nicole hannah-jones. white men's view it as individual incidents. black americans understand it's part of a collective history. we know this can happen to our own communities. >> you can see part one of the special tonight on own and across discovery's other u.s. networks. the this is funny, anthony because she and i were talking i said cbs is doing a primetime special about george floyd and she said i'm doing a primetime special. i said when is yours. she said mine is on tuesday. hers is at 9:00 and mine is at 10:00. it's a topic of conversation. i was talking to a publisher, the top selling books are about race relations in this country. people are interested and they want to hear more about it. i'm thrilled we're both doing it. even thoiugh it's on the same night. >> we'll watch them back-to-back. my talk of the table is on oscar winner spike lee whose new movie re-examines the vietnam war through the perspective of black soldiers. the movie is called the five blood and follow four vietnam universiti v

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joining me now is nicole hannah jones, pulitzer prize winning staff writer for "the new york times" magazine. thanks very much for joining us. first of all, give me your reaction. what do you make of the president -- i guess the way he said it, to give him the benefit of the doubt, just in this one instance, out of respect for the african-american community deciding to postpone it to june 20th? >> well, i think clearly he was receiving pushback even from his surrogates and black people who normally defend him, that was clear from the interview clip that you just showed. so in this case, he bowed to the pressure. >> explain to us and explain to our viewers a little bit why he is either tone deaf that he does not know about these things -- do you think he does them deliberately? the other aspect that came out this week which was highly offensive was the rnc deciding to host the convention ceremony, the rnc convention in jacksonville, florida, on another notorious day in this country's history, the axe handle massacre. >> yeah. i don't try to get into his head and figure out how much of these a

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joining me nicole hannah jones, a pulitzer prize winning writer and create aor of the landmark projectaking of this moment particularly -- i don't want to put you on the spot with the "new york times" so independent not going to say that. there's been a lot of bottom up. it feels like the demands for change in corporate structure are coming internally as much as externally. >> yeah, we certainly are seeing a period where employees are speaking out against their employers, which you for obvious reasons don't normally see. that's a very risky thing to do. i think a lot of black americans feel if people are taking to the streets that there's always of these attentions being paid on being silent right now is to miss an opportunity to change the work environment and to make a much bigger structural change. >> what do you make of these pledges? you've got the nfl, $250 million, our parent company, $100 million saying they're going to put this money to combat inequality, racial justice. you've had plenty of other companies. it's a good press release. what do you want to -- how will we know if