didn't want to mix them up there is a mega mall merger that could be in jeopardy, let's bring in roy behren of westchester capital. >> thank you for having me >> we are talking about simon taubman which is what karen brought up minutes before. we haven't gotten updates from the companyings either through earnings or filings calls. >> no, david simon on the call was asked several times can you give us what the status is, and people asked him why he couldn't comment either the mall sector in particular has been affected by the pandemic and the crisis that we've had and the economic turndown, particularly with the doors closed and as you saw from the last mall company we were talking about and the one thing i would say about the taubman deal is that the merger agreement is tight you discussed tiffany having the taubman -- and since it was announced after the beginning of the year this year that any pandemic is not grounds for terminating the agreement. so including the results of the pandemic that was referred to in the material adverse change clause which typically governs the grounds under w