earlier today, i spoke to vyette simpson and sarah fagan.he president's tulsa rally was billed as a sold-out affair with 1 million registered. but in reality, there were a lot of empty seats. should he be worried? >> well, i think it was a combination of things. certainly covid played into it. ultimately it won't have any bearing in the final outcome of an election, how big someone's crowd is rarely the determining factor in the outcome of the election. >> yet we know the president cares very much about crowd size. the president spoke for two hours and made no reference to george floyd and no mention of juneteenth. what do you think it says to the american public during the devisive times? >> i think president trump knows who he is speaking to. the crowd wasn't a george floyd race relations positive, black-white community crowd. when you think about sheila buck who was arrested outside the protest with her i can't breathe t-shirt, it was clear those opinions were not welcomed. >> you served in the george w. bush administration along with joh