i don't think hope is quite the right question i think that is a question more so for white america. for the reason that we should help the things will get better and. let me ask you about something we're seeing right now we're seeing police officers across the u.s. male taking a knee to show solidarity with protesters what do you say to that. you know i wish all that solidarity about seeking uni happened and 2016 and colin kaepernick the n.f.l. player took any during the national anthem to protest all these issues that we're seeing now and many around the country black students way allies also made the same action and what happened they were blackballed kicked out of school jobs threatened in the catholic is effectively. you know prevented from playing in the n.f.l. and right now personally for me when i see those images of police kneeling it doesn't move me not much to be honest with you but i would. like to see police surrendering some of these militarized weapons what i'd like to see is police saying we hear you are standing down. let's organize a way that we can have a dialogue

it's the denial on the part of much of white america that racism is widespread and real that's helped to charlie sykes, a former right—wing talkshow host and staunch republican conservative. if you're a white american you might think this happens but it's random, it's a few bad apples here and there, but i think what we have been seeing the last couple of weeks is the recognition that it's notjust a few bad apples, it is systemic, it's incredibly widespread and that this situation, in fact, we have been in denial on it. penny sitz lives in one of minneapolis' comfortable suburbs, three streets away from the police officer who knelt on george floyd's neck. for the first time in her life, she's been taking part in street protests with her family. what has surprised me in the past week has been seeing how widespread the abuse is and the brutality is. this is something i had no idea about. i knew it happened in a few big cities but i didn't think it was as widespread as it is. george floyd's brutal death held up a mirror to this country and most americans didn't like what they saw. if las

wealth that was stolen from slaves and periodd over a 300-year factojure and de discrimination, and white america should recognize the debt and black america should be proud to accept of the atonement. i believe if that happens, we should see a better society with much more racial harmony, once you combined apology with forgiveness. $14 trillion in cash to every descendent of slaves. dion: what folks on the other side of the argument who don't believe reparations should happen say is that dr. johnson is why we don't need reparations. he was able to pull himself up by his bootstraps, made a product ever but he loves, black and a timid television, and he made billions -- black and her timid television, and he made over a billion dollars. robert: the reason is because i am one in 40 million. you cfould at all the other people who make that kind of wealth and said they are five and 40 million. you should ask yourself, what would happen if there wereand slaves-americans-- no and african-americans were treated with equal opportunity after slavery? maybe there would be 500, 600 robert johnsons. what's w

great migration of african-americans from the south into the northeast and midwest encouraged white america to invite the jews and central europeans and the portuguese into the yield of whiteness. so just as a final thought, i think that for a long time the debate over racial divisions in the united states has missed this part of the story, the spark that there is a lot of complexity around the notion of racial division. and i think it's critical to acknowledge it because as i think i pointed out a moment ago i think that immigrants, especially poor immigrants from mexico and central america, the guys picking your strawberries and delivering your vegetables are the onesdirectly threatened by the president and his support . >> thank you and it's just sort of how you want to bundle it has changed over time. and i want to shift a little, one of your contentions in the book is sort of that the weakness of our social safety net stems from this sort of legacy of racial animus and i wondered if you can unpackand that a little bit . you've spent some time in highland county kentucky and maybe you c

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doesn't understand how they separate us because and white america's eyes, when he uses the word we theyre like you are not a part of them. in all actuality, he does but it's in a different way so the backlash is going to be now you are fostering to include yourself in a part of society you don't exist in anymore and we know ther there's no suffocan of black folks regardless of what the status of life we live in but most of white america doesn't understand that, so i think what you are saying is really hopeful but for the most part the minute you use the word they will say he's included himself in that and isn't part of what he's saying. >> to watch the rest of the discussion -- >> good evening, everyone. i'm the director of the library and i'm incredibly pleased to be hosting the first book festival event although i would much rather be doing so in person but i'm thrilled to be kicking off the

i say this before, chuck, the moment white people think they have skin in the racism game, game change in americaep. >> this is different because we are actually seeing more whites think all of a sudden, racism is something that does in fact impact me. my community. and certainly this division is a problem for my children down the line. so i think this is going to be different. and i think the opportunity to mobilize this and to change and not be tribalized by this, you see it in what's happening and you see it on those young people in the street by the way and those young people in the street look a lot like the core of the obama coalition that organized the 2008 and 2012 and so many of them protested their vote in 2016. and didn't come out and vote third party. >> i'm curious. how much do you think that the combination of the impact of the pandemic both on health and economics, coupled with the police, the examples of police brutality and abuse again hoeing up at the same time, almost was like a you can't ignore this now, white america. >> it was a perfect storm. it was perfect storm of angst b

i think for white america, white america was deeply wounded and shocked by the visual of his murder over eight and a half minutes. and i think for white america, deniability of racism in our policing and in our nation is longer an option. and that is why it hs gripped us and resonates so deeply in the american psyche. >> ava duvernay, is it sometng that is repeat of what we've seen over and over again or is it something ditfferent of w happened to him in this moment? >> certainly, the act of black death is not new. that's, you know-- i think there was something about the pe testifying that was unusual. as someone who unfortunately watches this material a lot for my work. and that was the very clear framing oboth people looking directly to the cmera. you know, in other instances of murder by police on tape, may cam, which obsecures the officer wearing the camera. we may see it from a distance on a security camera. it's very rare that we've en both parties in the frame looking directly toward the lens for me, that's what was startling. i real had to interrogate fo myself, "why is this brin

white supremacy and segregation. so i see this as a time that america can finally look at itself and be candid about what needs to changei also think it's a time where you're really seeing allies across the board. you're seeing whites in europe caring about this, you're seeing black and white people coming together in the united states. i think this is the moment and the key for me is will there be leadership at the national and the local level to affect the kind of change that this moment is allowing us to do? >> is president trump redeemable in this moment? >> say it again. i lost you. >> is president trump redeemable in this moment? >> i think it's important to realize that this is something where all americans need to own this, that this is not a black problem. this is a quintessential american problem and my hope is that leadership from the national all of the way down to the local will recognize this is a time to bring the country together because it's splintered in ways that are very, very painful, but this is a moment to take that pain and seize the cod finally live up to the stated ideals of this country. that'

black, white, america of all colors, you have seen us in the streets. they don't want just some bear minimum, some veneer of reform and move on. only to find more and more systemic racism.ine i'm very proud that the democrats in the senate said no to that. >> madeleine dean is our guest,0 taking your phone calls.mocrat split by party. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. democrats, 202-748-8002. as viewers are calling in, we now know that the attorney y general, william barr, says he'x planning to testify before the ? judiciary committee later next month. what do you plan on asking him if he shows up?hat. >> well, we have a whole host ou questions, so i won't preview ze that for you, but we'll beege toor have him come h forward.d. do you realize he's the only attorney general not to come before house judiciary every year, every congress and every o year? the attorney general is supposed ailed come and report. and of course, he failed to shoe up last year. s we had him scheduled finally during the pandemic, but that had to be postponed. an

it's the denial on the part of much of white america that racism is widespread and real that's helpedxist. listen to charlie sykes, a former right—wing talkshow host and staunch republican conservative. if you're a white american you might think this happens but it's random, it's a few bad apples here and there, but i think what we have been seeing the last couple of weeks is the recognition that it's notjust a few bad apples, it is systemic, it's incredibly widespread and that this situation, in fact, we have been in denial on it. penny sitz lives in one of minneapolis‘ comfortable suburbs, three streets away from the police officer who knelt on george floyd's neck. for the first time in her life, she's been taking part in street protests with her family. what has surprised me in the past week has been seeing how widespread the abuse is and the brutality is. this is something i had no idea about. i knew it happened in a few big cities but i didn't think it was as widespread as it is. george floyd's brutal death held up a mirror to this country and most americans didn't like what they

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you know for many americans especially those of us who grew up in white america like myself we were never taught about juneteenth in school or to understand and celebrate its importance this this needs to change why is the celebration of juneteenth so important to the fabric of us culture and why is it so important to teach white people why they need to pay attention to this holiday and why it's so important. it's important because it lets people know the just ignore me some out of contributions black people have made to the creation and the foundation of america to understand the struggle to understand that slavery actually ended it took place it was real it was it any of the other things which is being tried to be propagated now it's important for them to understand almost everything that you see everything that you touch in america has been the fact that and contributed to by black people during slavery specially after slavery. and how has the current political atmosphere and the protests the events of the past few weeks affected positively or negatively your continued efforts to get j

america has. it's what -- what i likeri to call white gui. [laughter] white guilt is this sort of, this buying back legitimacy by exploiting minorities all over again. by enabling them and what, how do they exploits them? they say this is what is pernicious and evil. they say to minorities, look we beatey you up pretty badly. you can't make it out us. you can't recover. you are not beginning to be able to reinvent yourself and become truly equal with us unless we are the agent of that change. not you, us. so they take over the agency. over the black development, and say oh if you don't get more government money, more government program, more blah, blah, blah, then -- you will never make it. you are dependent on us, and what happens? a grievance industry springs up in black america to receive all of that white benefit. civil rights movement does nothing. but scream bloody murder how dependent black people are on what whites do for them. that's all they do. mark: you know what's interesting you bring the democrat party the democrat party histor

they will never have justice in white america the only thing they can hope for is individual sovereignty and the only way to get there is through savings and bitcoin is the best way to get there but let's look at this system here because it favored those who care. who have the assets in 1071 we just covered this in a recent episode here there are data showing that even to this day it continues so we could take down every single monument that exists in the united states we could you know create new holidays we could have corporate new logos saying that we support minorities black people women l.g.b. t.q. we can do all this but the fact is this system it no matter what we do no matter how we try to rescue the economy save the people the pandemic is happening trillions of dollars must be printed the way the system works basically the fed can only give it to white mostly white bankers on wall street they get it 1st prisoner 0 percent everybody else gets it you know if you think of a river that starts at the top of the himalayas as fresh clean lovely water at the top by the time it gets down

america, what did you think? >> oh, it reminded me of 1968. at the time, we had a black and white tv set. s living with my parents. we remembered this kind of -- it looked like a civil r in chicago. we were really impressed, because, for us, at the time, america was a kind of dream and a very stable country. we were very surprised. thought that was we call "the black problem," if you like, was solved and had been solved after the election of barack obama as president of the united states. remember that he won the democratic primary, beating a white lady, and then he was reelected in a very comfortable majority. we really thought that the black problem was solved in the united states, and it was something from the past. apparently -- katty: this all comes, of course, just days after america passed the threshold of 100,000 people dying from the coronavirus, more cases here than anywhere else in the world. when you look at it from the other side of the atlantic, what does america's standing look like right now? >> for us french, it's quite comfortable, because we were ashamed that the germans

awakening white america to the police brutality and a coalition to say "enough."t the same time the clearing of protesters near the white house to make way for a presidential photo opportunity had succeeded in uniting current and former military leaders to denounce the use of force against peaceful assembly and to say "enough." from the brutal police killing to the marches, to the 110,000 americans dead from the coronavirus, to the tens of millions now unemployed, there is a growing sense that things are spinning beyond our grasp in this country. this is the scene here in washington where the white house has become a fortress, behind new fencing and concrete barriers. in fact, in our latest nbc news/wall street journal poll nearly 40% of all registered voters tell us that the country is out of control. just 15% believe things are currently under control. >>> still, president trump's approval rating stands pretty much where it's been for the last two years. 43% approve, 53% disapprove and what does this all mean for november? it remains a very stable election. joe

justicennot have two systems in america, one for black america and one for white america. ice for equal the united states of america. >> yeah. [applause] change is going to come in the tragic killing of george with hisd i proclaim son as my witness, that changes starts today. we are in minneapolis. john, what do the protesters say to you about those new charges? is where everyone comes to speak, right there, the spot with the orange netting, where george floyd last lay after police knelt on his neck and back. pay theirere people respects and speak. there is a sense that some of the weight has lifted, their short-term goals have been met, charges against all two -- four officers. ,ne charge per derek chauvin and the others charged with aiding and abetting a second-degree murder, very serious charges for police officers. that is what they have been calling for, but the long-term goal is systematic change, and that will take some time. investigation an into the minneapolis police department that looks for systematic racial abuse. i think all across the country, with all of the

i think this time with the senseless inexplicable death of george floyd, i think america, the white america in particular, got a taste of what happens in cities all across america every single day. and then as we have this cross racial, cross cultural mass movement, white folks on the front lines being beaten by police. we have seen the videos now of the baton-wielding police beating white protesters, spraying them with pepper spray. they are getting a taste of it. also i think there is this sense of america being out of control, out of order. you think about covid-19, the stress intention. folks are bound up and there is so much uncertainty. i think this time even though we are at a pivot point and there is hope for great change, the pendulum always swings back. the monster of anti-blackness, which is again hard wired into who we are as americans, will rear its head. those who always push back against progress as they always have from reconstruction, then redemption. you call for desegregation, then you have white folks abandoning cities, abandoning schools. while we are at this moment, on

philonise said, we can't have two justice systems in america, one for black america and one for white america. we need equal justice for the united states of america and this means policing, too, because for many black americans, that's when the justice system first presents itself to our community. >> philonise, as i said, so many people watched your testimony in front of the house judiciary committee. did you feel -- tell us what happened sort of behind the scenes. did you feel that lawmakers were really listening? did they tell you that they were going to take some specific action? >> well, i think the world was listening. when i was in there, i just, speaking from the heart, and just letting them know how i felt about everything when it comes to policing and they need to get their jobs right. it hurt me to lose my brother, but i don't want to see that happen to anybody else around the world. if they get their jobs right the first time, they'll never have to worry about it the second time. >> you have been such a strong advocate and voice for unity. that's the one thing that you keep, even

to me, to white america, why not instead of paying welfare, child support? support.tamps of paying food and section a low income housing, that is money coming out of the taxpayer, no doubt. of averagehe hands americans and let us implement our own destiny using wealth much like every white american did in this country. ofrankly don't see the issue pain reparations. -- paying reparations. you also get white americans saying i am sorry for what we did to you. emotional change and shift when americans begin to see a capitalistic nation as equal. >> in the meantime, as we have been speaking, president obama was speaking at a virtual town hall about bases him and he said the pandemic has exposed health-care vulnerability, inequality and also that these events are as profound as any he has seen in his lifetime. i do want to get your thoughts on what is happening on social media because so much of commentary is pouring out on social media. you have twitter taking a stand against the president's remarks, facebook letting them stand. which company is making the right call her

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white america looking at the past like never before. an american president isolated behind a barricade and threatening outrage on twitter. welcome. i'm john vause. "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >>> within the past few hours the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in the u.s. passed 2 million. almost more than the next five countries combined. infections are still on the rise in 19 states. many restarted their economies at the urging of the president before their number of confirmed cases were consistently coming down. a dozen states are also seeing an increase in hospital admissions as well. while the u.s. continues to struggle with the coronavirus, it is seeing assistance. >> what do you want? >> justice. >> when do you want it? >> now. >> protests which began more than two weeks ago over the death of george floyd, an unarmed blackman in custody have escalated and spread into a national movement fighting what some have described as a pandemic of racism. we'll have much more on that in a moment including george floyd's brother's

why doesn't it galvanize peoples' -- especially white america's fears that we need trump. look how angry these people are getting. look at this over one case that's so obvious. why don't they just let them prosecute it. why are they angry? doesn't that help trump? >> there's a risk. there's no doubt there's a risk. there's a level of disorder that will drive away voters biden needs. if i am right that he's never going to galvanize a huge turn out of younger white voters, he has to improve among white voters who usually vote republican. there's a risk this can go too far and scare voters away the way you're describing. but this is not 1968, chris. it's a very different country. it's much more diverse, much better educated, and attitudes about race are different. trump's nixon nostalgia as if he can run the 1968 playbook in 2020 just underestimates the extent to which broad segments of white america have come to realize particularly i think since ferguson that there are fundamental inequities in our system. and a majority of americans have said in polling that the president

two out of three whites or some surveys as many as 85% of white folks said they believed the black people were treated equally already in americao in other words, when dr. king gave the "i have a dream" speech that white folks get all weepy about now, more than a half century later, because we view him as a secular saint even though we hunted him and hated him while his heart was still beating, now we love him but then at the height of the movement he was helping to lead, white folks looked around and basically said eh, what's the problem? if white america didn't get it even when it was obvious in retrospect to everyone, what in the world would make the national security adviser believe that he or anyone else know what they're talking about now? i think it probably stands to reason that black and brown folks know their reality better than we do and until we decide to believe that black folks have not lost their mind, but actually have a pretty decent beat on their experience, we're never going to climb out of this thing. >> one person who also saw systemic racism among the police is the police chief of minneapolis. michael, he

white people. so explain why everybody else should care what is happen manage black america? >> pass kor michael mcbribe in berkeley california says white people have to university that racism that affects black people and brown people and people of brown color ultimately affects them too. because a society that is not just and equity for everybody means you are not getting the most out of the members of your society, and it's not as good as you want it to be. if your society is not educating all the kis and all the kids don't have a chance to engage in the future and make the future a better day. so for me, the white folks have to stop saying, i have to go help the black streets. they should go out in the streets selfishly. this is truly the rising tide that lifts all boats. >> what do you hope is the take away, not just for white america, but also, you know, whether you're latino, asian, you know, here in the bay area i tend to think, maybe i'm polly anna, but think we don't think that way. but i don't look at people so much through race in my life, and people will call that

we then as blacks, we then become dependent on giving our problems to white america. and protesting, and demanding this and demanding that. well, protests has exhausted itself. it is -- it is a parody at this point. it does not come anywhere near close to solving the real problems we have. the breakdown of the family. the low, low education levels of achievement that occur because of the public school system, and because blacks have not insisted enough on real meaningful education. we have just sort of assumed that other people will fix that for us. part of living in freedom is taking on responsibility for your fate. we have given our fate over to others. we keep begging others, larger society, fix it for us. there is racism here. there is racism they are. it is a fruitless ticket to nowhere. it has not worked, and it is not going to work. we have to take -- we can be innovated, and inspired by the challenges of freedom and responsibility. >> martha: dr. shelby steele, senior fellow at the hoover institution, the author of "shame" thank you very much, sir. you and i h

) what we want tia is, not two justice systems in america, one for black america, and one for white americae endeavor to achieve is equal justice for the united states of america and george floyd is the moment that gives us the best opportunity i have seen in a long time of reaching that high ideal that this country was founded on. thank you so much. this is the plea for justice. ( applause ) on behalf of the family, the children, we will get justice. we are committed to it. now, i would introduce you to a man who really needs no introduction, who will eulogize george floyd. he is a man who has fought for so many families that too many hashtags to remember. and when he gets the call, he always answers the call, even when the cameras aren't around, even after the cameras are gone. ask eric gardner's family, a stephon clark's family. ask any of these cam families, the cameras are long gone, he continues to answer the bell when our people call. he is a leader that you see on tv commenitating about our experiences. but more importantly, he is a leader who has lived our experiences, and because

america. so what white americans take as a four ends up being a ceiling. he should have been charged in the first place at the level of second degree murder and the other three cops should have been charged immediately. >> today's response in aha is t we finally addre, reverend al, the fact that there are two justice systems in america. one for black america, and one for white america. >> even former president obama offering rare public remarks. >> there is a change in mind-set that's taking place. a greater recognition. that we can do better. that's a direct result of the activities and organizing and mobilization and engagement of so many young people across the country. >> it will now be the time to continue to push so that there is real structural change so two months from now, three months from now, we won't be here again. organizing protests, because of the unjust killing of another black soul. >> today's criminal charge is just the early steps to what will almost certainly be a long only one police officer has ever been convicted of murder in the st