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>> we are joined now by former acting united states solicitor general neal katyal. are you surprised? >> i am surprised by the attorney general's testimony. i mean, attorney general barr yesterday seemed to be frankly, ari, at the rudolph giuliani stage of his personal development. someone who had competence a while back and traded it away from modern relevance and threw away all principle. he came in with a huge cloud over him. it wasn't a part sandal cloud. there was an editorial by ken starr's deputy. a very prominent republican hair who said, barr, you lied about the mueller report. this roger stone stuff is unforgivable. and barr did nothing yesterday to really dispel any of. . i work for two attorneys general. i've been in hundreds of senior leadership meetings. i've never seen one in which a presidential campaign comes up. and he admitted the campaign had come up. this is not the way the campaign operates. >> as someone who has been in the news yourself. i'll remind people as well, you have been very fair and positive about plenty of people who happen to be r

and neal katyal has not said anything about this publically yesterday and he actually explained in a tweet today which i will now read to you. he said, i have stayed away from comments on portland, now chicago, until i have studied the law in some detail. it's outrageous and against everything our nation's founders stood for. i'll detail my views tonight on this show. i love that he had to study the law before coming on here and talking about it because that's who he is. he's going to do his homework. he's going to thoroughly go through this. he's going to study this. he's not just going to use his lifetime of legal experience and knowledge. he's going to go and do the homework specifically for this, so we will hear that from him tonight. >> that is the difference between a pundit and an expert right there. >> exactly. >> someone willing to do the work before they speak. exactly. >> pundit thinks homework is cheating. >> that's exactly right. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> well, joe biden and donald trump are both old enough to remember when texas used to elect democrats to the

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leading off our discussion tonight is neal katyal. and, neal, i have a series of questions i could ask. but let me just say go. what do we need to know about this? >> well, i think it is a great day for democracy, a great day for the rule of law, lawrence. i have been watching commentary all day, and i have to say yours is a first that you got it absolutely right. your set piece at the beginning said they shredded donald trump's arguments. that's exactly right. that's what happened today. it is really hard to lose a case in the supreme court if you are the president. you really got to try. and today donald trump managed to do that. it was a fundament repudiation of what trump said. you know, essentially the ruling today can be boiled down into the idea that president trump, you are not a king, and the truth is going to come out no matter how much you try and hide it. now, it is a fact that the supreme court today did say that it's got to go back down to lower courts. both the house case and the case brought by the manhattan prosecutor.

and neal katyal, who served as the acting solicitor general under president obama. all and thank you for beingere. neal and paul, between the two of you, you havergued almost 150 cases before the court. neal, i'm going to start with you because i want a sense of how you're looking back on this term. earlier in june, there was a sense that this is court leaning quite liberal. within a cup of weeks theyul workers can't be fired for being gay or transgeneraledered. they stopped president trump's bismed to end daka and they struck doubt -- down an abortion law in louisiana. was that an outright win for progressives? >> there have been ant outri number of wins the progressives have had. the tax rurn case, daka, the hgbtg cases. in all of then donald trump lost and i'm not aware of another reesident other than xon whose term faworse at the court. paul and i both know ts, we both represented presidents in the supreme court. it's pretty hardo lose if you're representing the president. you have to kind ofry like failing a class at yale, you have to work at it. but here here

that is a new key legal point from legal expert neal katyal and getting trump's taxes from all kindsed by the stormy daniels scandal. throughout donald trump's life, there is been a lot of speculation and of some it quite informed in research about just what is lurking in the tax returns. >> what is donald trump hiding in his taxes? ties to the russian mob? favors from foreign businesses? >> maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. we've been told that he owes about $650 million to wall street and foreign banks. >> that's one more reason we're not seeing his tax returns. he is deeply involved in dealing with russian oligarchs and others. >> the possible of money launldsering. >> isly the any entangle many that might -- >>le questions and theories. we turn to david k. johnson. he's been digging into financials for years and joins us from a nice outdoor setting. i home you're getting sun as you do your hard work, sir. >> thank you. this is the tim burt only garden. the director hired me. he wants to have a movie about donald trump but sadly it never got made. you can imagine the fun ti

joining us now, former acting stand general of the united states, neal katyal.s unique up close views of how this gets worked out. will they rule tomorrow? if so, what are the clues to how they might rule on these hidden taxes in the vault? >> so all indications are that they will rule tomorrow. they said it is the last day of the material. i've been in court on the last day of the term in which they announced a reargument in the fall. it is not 100% certain but we're at the 99/100% certainty that we will together a decision tomorrow. even if it goes against trump, that doesn't mean americans will see the tax returns right away. these are confidential inquiries by the manhattan prosecutor and the house of representatives and they will keep that information confidential until, for example, an indictment or something like that, which is what is going on in manhattan. the grand jury is investigating donald trump and why he expensed $130,000 deducted as a business expense to stormy daniels. i never thought that feasible. and so they're investigating all that and we

i know our friend neal katyal held the view that this was a very bad day for president trump. i know both cases went down 7-2 on the other side. but tell me why at the end of the day, considering the president gets to keep his finances private, it wouldn't be viewed as a victory by this white house. >> that's an excellent question, brian, and the short answer is that the cases made clear that donald trump, a, is not above the law. that's a critically important one. and, b, that congress does have subpoena power for legislative function, including over the president's private documents if appropriate. you know, i think your point in your question that is extremely important is the american public wants to understand who donald trump -- just how culpable is he? and, you know, on one level the white house is very unhappy because this has made clear that they can't ask for all kinds of special legal protections that place him above the law. but on the other hand, you know, they can continue to tie this up in court. you know, one of the things that the supreme court said was, you k

bush administration, and neal katyal, he served as the actingci sor general under president obama. e you all and thank you for being here. neal and paul, i should point out between thtwo of youyou have argued almost 150 cases before the court. neal'm going to start wih you because i want to get a sense of how you're looking back on this term. earlier in june is was a sen this is the court that's leaning actually quite liberal. ethin a couple weeks ruled workers can't be fired for being gay or transgender they stopped trump's effo to end dacand struck down the abortion law in louisiana. how did youee that string on ruling, is that an outght wi for progressives. >> i awe grease there's an outreign win with daca, the lgbt cases, the louisiana abortion and all of them, donald trump lost. i'm not aware of another president outside of richard nixon in our life times an rhaps even beyond who fared worse at the supreme court but i really think of it that way much more about serio loses for trump than they do about the court turning progressiver liberal which i don't think is true. mall and

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