dagen: it takes a great deal of care, and how you interact with other people, derrick jeter days talking first case came from from in this group of players, are clearly it is important to derrick jeter his reputation, he is trying to stand up for himself and organization. but, again, you have to take incredible care when you are interacting with people, you have to keep your distance if you can, wear a mask it is very hard to keep it under control just to say oh, well if older people are at risk stay away from them, it ain't easy take it from me when you've got a dad a heart attack in the hospital you have to take care of him do you what you can, but it is not -- it is almost impossible do stay away from loved ones if you are over the age of 65. >> -- agree -- >> in terms of getting back to normal life, we have more than 150,000 deaths, even if suspicious about how deaths are counting look at cdc statistics, just counting sheer birth certificates way over where we normally are a lot of people dying life doesn't get back to normal for them or their families ever. >> normal to where relati