well, julie, you just heard the jill stein total, this is important, the jill stein total in wisconsinne trumped, pun intended, was greater than the margin by which donald trump beat hillary clinton. and if you throw in gary johnson, then it's like 137,000 votes versus 22,000 that was the margin. i am not someone who believes you can just automatically say, well, that would have been a vote for this candidate. in the absence of jill stein or gary or in this case, kanye west. but it's a game of inches, or at least it was, in wisconsin. so, arguably, it does matter. i hope that you're all voting at my website at smerconish.com this hour. here's the question, did joe biden's acceptance speech neutralize donald trump's questioning of biden's cognitive abilities? >>> up ahead, after one week of classes students at university of north carolina were give these fall move out instructions following the covid-19 outbreak. their families like many around the country are wondering why they're still expected to pay full freight for learning for what some call glorified skype. >>> and george floyd's

and they need there to be a jill stein type of anything your.f the vote in wisconsin. jill stein only got 1% of the vote. but that added up to 31,000 votes. trump only won by 22,000 votes. if he could somehow get a third person in there that people could vote for instead of biden, he could recreate those conditions. >> absolutely, joy. >> is that to your understanding the plan? >> that's what it appears to be. i mean, the dynamics that existed in 2016 that assisted donald trump in being elected do not exist this time around with joe biden, in my opinion. and if you look at jill stein and the impact she had in several battleground states, it is very clear that the numbers would indeed assist donald trump. kanye west may not show up in wisconsin. he may not show up in michigan or nevada. but the fact that he is on the ballot, joy, he could, indeed get votes away from biden. maybe it's 44,000 votes by which i believe he won in michigan. that could be enough, joy, to impact and tilt the race in mr. trump's favor. that has to be something that the bi

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in 2016 you had jill stein. you had gary johnson, evan mcmullen, among others. combined they won nearly eight million votes. now in the absence of any other notable spoiler candidates, republicans are obviously pinning their hopes on kanye west to take enough votes to squeeze donald trump through. but that's just part of the strategy. you also needed to take it hard for people to vote, to suppress the votes of democratic voters, which the republican party is aggressively trying to do. then they also have to hope in the next few months, say, russia delivers or some other foreign adversary. they give them some gift they could use. i don't know. maybe just something you can use to try to destroy joe biden. and then you also got your attorney general william barr in the department of justice and maybe they could intervene as well. maybe when you stack all that up, all those sort of dirty tricks, that's enough to get your wildly unpopular candidate over seeing a once in a century catastrophe with 160,000 dead americans elected president. it feels like a totally diffe

to bring those people on board as much as he can because he is aware of the people who voted for jill steinsconsin, and that that really affected the margins and could have been the difference in some places between hillary clinton winning or losing the state. and, he is trying to convey to his supporters that there is a clear choice in his view in this election, and that does not include voting for anyone other than joe biden. host: jennifer epstein joining us to talk about the events of last night. if you want to ask a question. 1 -- 202-748-8000 for republicans -- for democrats. facebook alsond available. a story about going forward. you also wrote a story about joe biden, and i will read you the first line and you can expand. "joe biden will send a message about the vision for the democratic party tuesday night and it will sound a lot more like him that his party's progressive wing." can you go forward from that? guest: yes. the keynote address will be different than recent ones. people remember barack obama's a little bit further and richard gave a memorable speech a couple decades --

his supporters to make sure they don't do what they did in 2016 which was sit it out or go for jill stein numbers, losing the election to donald trump across 3 states. i'm not concerned about the approach the dnc is taking. john kasich and christine todd whitman and meg whitman are important to the coalition we are building the we are the party that is celebrating the ideals of america. we within an equal society that is free and fair where people can depend on their government to keep them safe and healthy with this administration has not in the lieutenant governor being from texas, the state went into complete crisis by following the guidance of the white house and not masking up. i could talk about texas, you said marxist 10 minutes ago. >> the parties marxist. i don't know if you are. >> joe biden is so far from a marxist i don't know what to tell you and bernie sanders knows it. shannon: let me bring steve in. clarify this. we hear joe biden is not progressive, not going to pull the party left, not taking orders from bernie and aoc but the other wing of the party saying he should be

so you do have to wonder, is it a little bit of a ploy, a little bit of a jill stein situation?re the hillary clinton campaign, you're still mad at her about that. i think when kim kardashian, his wife, ask people to give him some space and to respect their privacy in this situation they are in, i would tend to go with what the wife wants. >> kennedy: greg, who else should we see running for president? who are we missing in this field? it's not quite crowded yet and i'm surprised by that. >> greg: i know what you're getting at but no, i am very happy here at fox. i'm staying here. i think running for president is like dropping acid. you don't do a whole bunch at once. you micro does. i think that's what kanye's doing here in 2020. he's micro-dosing. in 2024, he's going to go for the whole tab and let's put it this way. joe should welcome him on the debate stage because if you have kanye west on the debate stage, it's going to take a lot of pressure off joe. he should be going come on, get up here please. i'm getting eaten alive by trump. go after kanye. >> kennedy: to that point

people said the last thing about johnson and jill stein. i just don't think it's that simplistic. i think there's a lot going on with third party candidacy. >>> up ahead, the hundreds of thousands of seats in american college football stadiums will remain empty this fall due to covid restrictions when those fans go? will it impact their vote? should college football be played in the fall? >>> also, looters brought destruction to chicago's magnificent mile stores this week. critics of the local prosecutors say her reforms easing felonies and thefts may have encouraged them. what does she say? i will ask her? >> we can't continue to allow this to happen. for people to believe that there's no accountability through our criminal justice system. no one wants to hold people in jail because they are poor. but people who engage in this kind of criminal activity, they need to be held accountable. and we can't do it do it alone. we need the prosecution and we neat a cou need a court to step up. it's true jen. really?! this prebiotic oat formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. impressi

back in 2016 presidential candidate jill stein wanted a recount in michigan, but 37 of detroit's precinctst because this were more ballots in the voting machines than a what poll workers had counted. the democrats want you to believe there's no problem with this? are you kidding? john brennan, james comey, they don't think they're targets of john durham's obamagate investigation. brennan says durham told him during husband 8-hour interview -- his 8-hour interview at the cia headquarters friday that he wasn't. now, why would they be at the cua headquarters? does that strike you as passing strange? it does me. comey says, by the way, he can't imagine that he's a target. i wonder what the people at the cia think. durham hasn't said that they are targets. he hasn't said they aren't. joining us tonight is tom fitton. he is e the president of judicial watch. he has a new book, it's called "a republic under assault: the left's ongoing attack on american freedom." it's available for preorder right now, we recommend it to you huguely. tom fitton -- highly. tom fitton, good to see you. this is, firs

ballot in wisconsin, all of a sudden this went from kind of a sideshow to the potential to be the jill stein of 2020. and what he said -- this was a text interview. i talked to him on the phone for about four hours last month. i followed up by text to ask him about these reports, including the one you just mentioned, and i pointed out to him that he can't win. you know, he said he was running to win. and i said, you know, you can't win. he said he's walking. he's walking to win. and, again, i pointed out he couldn't win. he's not going to be on the ballot to get 270 votes. there's no chance for him to win, and thus he's going to be a spoiler and siphon votes from joe biden, and his text was, i can't argue with -- i won't argue with you, which i took as, you know, a sign. he could have denied it, but he keeps on talking about running to win. he even texted last night, i'm running to win. he can't win and acknowledges that he's going to hurt biden more than trump. >> well, jason, my friend, this is where we come to you. i'm going to play for you a bit of congressman clyburn, as personally resp

that's nearly 10,000 fewer than were obtained by third-party candidate jill stein. while biden has been leading in wisconsin, his margin was shrinking before the shooting of blake. consider this, that according to a marquette law school poll, biden's lead was down between june and august among wisconsin likely voters. at the same time, perceptions of black lives matter were worsening. and there's been significant decline in support for protesters. yes, the country is still in the midst of a pandemic, but the trump campaign has been downplaying that. and from all indications, going to be playing up law and order as a path to victory. meanwhile, the biden campaign seems confident that the election will be won or lost, based on trump's mishandling, they say, of the virus. i want to know what you think. go to my website this hour, smerconish.com, and answer this week's survey question. which will have a greater impact on the election outcome? covid or civil unrest? joining me now is harry enten, cnn senior political writer and analyst covering politics with a focus on p

substantive third party threat this year, so republicans have manufactured their 2020 version of jill stein. republican operatives around the country are trying to get the rapper kanye west on to the presidential ballot. it's an effort that appears to be and in some cases openly acknowledged to be aimed at siphoning votes away from democrats. jared kushner met with kanye west last weekend in colorado. both men claim their conversation was benign. sure. we don't have evidence otherwise, but the dependents on the substance of that conversation, well, that meeting could be an illegal effort to coordinate campaigns. as "the washington post" explains, if kushner was encouraging west to do something proactive that could be attached to a dollar value, that could be illegal. if he was encouraging west to run, period, that could be an illegal solicitation of a campaign contribution. so we've got a controversial third party candidate designed to pull votes from joe biden. then there is the attempt to recreate the fbi's probe into hillary clinton. trump pushed his justice department to investigate the

in 2016 third party candidates gary johnson and jill stein collectively polled 4% of the vote. when you combine that with the wikileaks dumps and james comey's letter, that was enough to put donald trump over the top. a new poll shows kanye west could have 2% of the vote. if you combine that with the attacks on mail-in voting, the delays in the postal service, that is something the president is throwing at the wall and hoping something sticks so that he can sneak through to the presidency. joining me is congressman adam schiff, democrat of california and chair of the house intelligence committee. good to see you. i thought it was important to talk to you because people may forgot. a lot of people just don't like donald trump. think they he's crooked. they forget the impeachment was about a dirty election trick, a dirty election trick is something you and i talked about i think a week ago with the intelligence that you have had that you like americans to find out about but you can't right now. this is another one. if he's helping kanye west to run with the aim of defeating joe b

one row down you would see jill stein, the green party candidate. they accounted for fairly significant chunk of the vote relative to the margin between trump and clinton. if you take a look at the polling here. sorry about this. if you look at the polling here, again, mentioning first putting these numbers together, folks who voted for stein or for johnson in 2016 now say, choosing between biden and trump. overwhelmingly, biden over trump. of course, unsure voting for other candidates as well, but if biden is getting a lot more of that johnson-stein vote, biden's getting a lot more of the johnson-stein vote you see the significance in a state like wisconsin. >> also replicated in the other two states. michigan and pennsylvania. steve, you'll be around. about a half hour, steve will be anchoring for chuck todd on "meet the press" daily at 1:00. joe biden speech in that hour as well. thanks again, steve. >>> former house republican now director of national intelligence john ratcliffe announces over the weekend his agency will no longer briefings char

party candidate, considered further to the left then hillary clinton, were told, do not vote for jill steinecause if you do, you will take votes from hillary clinton, spoil the election for her, and elect donald trump. the same thing was true on the right. don't vote for gary johnson, the libertarian, because if you do you will take votes away from donald trump, an accident he help elect hillary. when you have the spoiler problem it means new competition does not ever in general enter. when we get final five voting, which is top five primaries, plus rank choice voting in the general election, this series of instant runoff, we eliminate the incentive to not solve problems paired and we make sure that if people do not solve problems in the public is dissatisfied, that there will not be new competition. competition to serve the public interest instead of serving the political industrial complex at the first concern. so, final five voting. changes the rules of the game and the way the game is played and the likely outcomes of that game. that is the opportunity we have as a country. susan: maine

there were people who sat out the election or who voted for jill stein or who voted for governor gary johnson because hillary didn't fill their love tank or because they had supported somebody else in the primary and wanted to cast a protest vote or a symbolic vote. well, that symbolism and that protest helped us get donald trump. and we've had a four-year buyer's remorse. so i hope that the lesson for everyone who wants to get rid of donald trump as president and sees him as an existential threat to america is that it's all hands on deck. and i think alexandria ocasio-cortez was very significant to that last night. she had a wonderful tweet endorsing joe biden, saying, i'm ready to work you and planing what her role in the convention was. and i think it was very, very gracious by her last night. it's time for unity. >> astead, that question was to you, we have about 30 seconds left. i don't know if you want to weigh in. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> it was worth it. >> early, on time, or late. >> i haven't been out of my house in so long, i'm just excited! >> that's awesome. >> astead, it's n

jill stein and governor gary johnson did better than usually third-parties do.ond, you had unprecedented invasion, foreign invasion, foreign intelligence, you were running the party when this was happening. they hacked us and they manipulated us and the media went for it. the press covered hillary's emails more than any other story about trump combined. that was the second thing. third, you had this really obscene act scene by the then fbi director, he attacked her anyway. 11 days before the election, that's what finally did it. here is what i got wrong. i could have done more, i could have done better. i was helping the hillary super pac and we had all the money in the world and we were running against just a really awful person, he says racist things, islamophobic things, gay, mocked a pow, senator mccain, insulted a man's disability, "the new york times". i got distracted by that which i focused on character, it was abysmal, necessary but not sufficient. the presidency is still a job interview and if somebody is a horrible person maybe they can do a really go

jill stein on the green party ticket. could this be a trump campaign effort to try to siphon off votes from joe biden in battleground states? >> i don't think there's any question about that. we all saw what was going on there in wisconsin, where he was getting help getting on the ballot. but, you know, african-americans, most especially, know what this campaign is all about. they've seen these kind of tactics before. we saw that here in south carolina. i have been saying for years now that this whole wrestling influence, i think their trial run was in the united states senate race right here in south carolina. so we've seen this before. we fell victim to it when we didn't know where it was coming from or what was going on. we now know, and we're not going to make that mistake again. if you fool me once, that shame is on you. you fool me twice, that shame would be on me. we ain't going to be shamed in this election. >> well, the whip, the democratic house whip, james clyburn, congressman, thank you very much. good to talk

and then there's the effort to promote their handpicked third-party candidate, this year's jill stein, one kanye west. trump's top operative, son-in-law jared kushner, has reportedly been speaking with west regularly since early july. but there are signs that despite all of these efforts, trump might be losing his nerve. for more i'm joined by congressman hakeem jeffries of new york, chair of the house democratic caucus. congressman jeffries, i don't know if you were able to hear donald trump's press conference earlier, but not that long ago this evening, but apparently when confronted with the question of whether he would actually veto a bill that had postal service funding in it, even though he said people have to -- they must vote in person, whether they feel safe or not, earlier, that's what he said. no, he has said, no, he wouldn't even veto it. what do you make of that slight turnaround? >> well, the trump administration is crashing and burning, and it's all happening before our very eyes. his response has been an unmitigated disaster to the coronavirus crisis. and he can't deny

so kanye is jill stein. putin is still doing putin.ke they've got a match for match on everything they try to do. it's harder to do it with biden, i think. and i think having kamala -- i sense just talking to people that having kamala harris on the ticket was a very smart move because it makes it even harder. i don't know if you feel that way. >> i would say there's a few major differences. first of all, trump is an incumbent. in 2016 we didn't know what he was going to do. now no one has the excuse. and just to go over the last few days. he's a chaos machine. i think cornell is absolutely right. this is an opportunity for people for joe biden to define himself and for everyone else to define joe biden in positive terms about what he is and the kind of leadership, the kind of strong and steady effective leadership he will offer to the country and how our lives will be better with him. but it's also we should be clear that donald trump has spent tens of millions of dollars attacking joe biden over the last several months, and it hasn't

frankly, i think they did in 2016 stop if those progressives who voted for jill stein had instead voted for hillary clinton, you would have 16 and we would be in a clinton presidency right now. overreaching is something both parties do. i share your concern this may well happen. one of the things i worry about in the next few months to where the election is is so many are so disgusted by president trump that they likewise feel nothing but outrage and disgust for any trumped motor and tend to label them all as bigots and racists. it's really hard to win votes from people who you are denouncing as racists and bigots. it's important to win some of those votes, not only for the president but also for senate seats. voted8 million people who for president obama in 2012 and then voted for trump in 2016, it's important to win them back. i hope democratic voters will fight for those votes rather than scorn them or condescend to them. host: thank you. i hope i'm not mispronouncing your name -- >> can you guys hear me? host: we hear you fine. inthank you for your work social justice. thanks also f

for trump if they both for a 3rd party candidate or some other party figure like people voted for jill stein for example which just votes away from hillary and probably cost of the election or people to go to a from al gore in 2000 and florida voted for ralph nader so if those people who are so far left are socialistic stay at home or are right in a candidate or vote for someone else they are in effect reelecting donald trump. barbara perry professor and director of presidential studies at the university of virginia mina center thank you thank you ken. the u.n. security rise sheets michel bus has condemned the violent crackdown on the by the balor regime the government told protesters after 3 nights of unrest police have arrested more than $6000.00 people during the protests that followed sunday's disputed presidential election that's away nearly a year and poland are offering to mediate say sanctions may come of that offer is not taken up steadfast in reports from minsk thank. worried about the fate of their loved ones relatives and friends outside this detention center in minsk child cries

they wanted russia to help out building up jill stein's numbers.e same thing with kanye in those states where he might make the ballot, particularly some place like wisconsin? >> first of all, i just want to say, there's a saying by great humorist dave barry says someone who's not nice to you but not nice to the waiter is not a nice person. you and i both know the truth of that. we get to see, when we were in the senate how people are when the cameras are rolling and how they are to the people serving you in the caucus lunches. i know who joe is, because i got a chance to watch him on the campaign trail, and some of my favorite moments were the behind-the-scene moments watching each candidate go through their rituals and joe was putting his arm around people. not just the candidates but talking to the people who are working backstage or getting things done. i really believe character matters in that spirit. look, the insidiousness or dark forces that work in this election that are counter to the values i think this nation aspires to, the idea that

one of which -- two of which jill stein's spoiler margin was material to his win. so they can't lose any base. so i do think this convention will juice the base. they used a lot of fear, which worked with them in the past. it can work with seniors particularly. and i do think, as i said, that they were able to put on this kind of wonderful incumbent show, parade of his accomplishments, whether it was trying experimental cancer treatments, free hostages, find a way to get people to come out and talk to him in a positive way. his two videos, with the frontline workers, show that they recognize there's a huge empathy gap. empathy was a theme of joe biden's convention last week. it was resnanonant with people t didn't know joe biden a lot. and they are worried about that. they're going to try to show him in an empathetic way. but they make the case that they don't think donald trump is a racist is a way to tell voters who may have left donald trump, who voted for him in 2016 to say, it's okay to come back. we don't think he's a racist. i'll be curious if he gets a poll

independent voters and then you had bernie sanders really shoring up i think a lot of the former jill stein to really recognize how important this election is and then of course michelle obama hit it out of the park. i think she was just talking to normal people about what's at stake in this election so i thought it was pitch perfect. maria: it's interesting when you consider john kasich speaking last night, he's a republican, speaking at the democrat national convention. he hates donald trump so much, he would not even step foot in the convention center last time around, remember in 2016, he would not go to the gop convention. meanwhile, he was the governor. it was -- the convention was in his state and he would not go. >> well, i just -- there's a lot of people, both at that point i think a lot of republicans at that point and even more now, maria, that are appalled with the president's behavior, the way he's dismantled american leadership around the world, where no one's looking at the united states. he botched the coronavirus, we're at 170,000. this did not have to be this way if you ju

to bring those people on board as much as he can because he is aware of the people who voted for jill steinn wisconsin, and that that really affected the margins and could have been the difference in some places between hillary clinton winning or losing the state. and, he is trying to convey to his supporters that there is a clear choice in his view in this election, and that does not include voting for anyone other than joe biden. host: jennifer epstein joining us to talk about the events of last night. if you want to ask a question. 1 -- 202-748-8000 for republicans -- for democrats. facebook alsond available. a story about going forward. you also wrote a story about joe biden, and i will read you the first line and you can expand. "joe biden will send a message about the vision for the democratic party tuesday night and it will sound a lot more like him that his party's progressive wing." can you go forward from that? guest: yes. the keynote address will be different than recent ones. people remember barack obama's a little bit further and richard gave a memorable speech a couple decades

allow trump to make mistakes and bear in mind that unlike 2016, there isn't a jill stein there, a thirdjim comey, so things should continue to go his way if he allows donald trump to continue to make mistakes. >> john heileman we were in new hampshire, iowa, talk about this turn around, ed was talking about an odyssey, this may be a strange time reflecting on the democratic primary, but i must say, other than harry truman's comeback in the 1948 campaign, it was -- this was one of the most shocking turn arounds in modern american history. >> yeah. i mean, look, democratic primary politics it's the most shocking. when he left new hampshire on the morning of the primary, left early, wasn't in new hampshire that night because they knew how bad it was going to be, finished fifth, he flew down to south carolina, i flew down with him, it was like, you know, i don't think the campaign, there was not the degree of confidence inside the biden campaign their firewall was going to hold in south carolina, that was unprecedented, the notion of finishing fourth in iowa, fifth in new hampshire, you hav

jill stein protested the election.ge and then you had the russia investigation the next two years which turned into impeachment which turns into the pandemic. the pandemic is real. the other stuff, huge distraction. yet the president found a way to accomplish a lot and he went over that. here's the -- some of the people. the every day average people who spoke at the rnc. >> violence and destruction are not legitimate forms of protest. >> if donald trump had been president when kayla was capture you had, she would be here today. >> by the grace of god and the compassion of president donald john trump, i stand before you tonight. >> when we lost nearly 50% of our business to china in the mid 2,000s we wondered how a small company like ours could continue to compete. then donald trump was elected and we breathed a sigh of relief. he actually fought for american workers. >> don't let democrats do to america what they have done to new york. >> he is our commander-in-chief, champion of the american worker, defender of common