and jordan klepper would say, "i don't know, that just doesn't sound like it's real."slightly reformatted, and he would go, "that is so deep and profound. race, and i really respect you and he'd go, "i don't thinyoujud did." because i think the problem here has always been maybe two-fold. one is the "but" people. and you see them-- they'll come out, you know, "what happened to george floyd was awful. we watched it. and no one condones that. but..." as soon as you hear "but," you know they're about to negate the reality of the situation. "he wasn't an angel." "yeah, but you know, the criminality in that neighborhood." one of the biggest problems-- i think the problem is two-fold. one is i think there's a large swath of the white population-- and you know this as well as i do-- that believes somehow that the inequality in the black community is on them. >> stephen: right, they're just not working hard enough. atheres a-it is a problem of virtue and culture. if you just work-- my grandfather had to work. right, your grandfather-- when he came home from world war ii, they