known he doesn't sleep much he's very talkative he has excessive self-esteem which you can call narcissism if you like these are all class america traits which we call high person i mean over the clinical term that i described in my book and i it's interesting to see that someone close to him saw a resident that resident but he's also somebody who makes an impression on him very resilient tourists and the way he responds big criticism i think he has some very very mixed can and as you point out in your book resilience is most often associated with an early trauma i mean you need to have a trauma as a sort of that seems to allow you to develop resilience and you are seeing you in some jazz that you know trying doesn't show depressive symptoms but i mean how would you know what he is like when he is on on his own if he is wrong with himself . yeah and you can't know for sure you know we should probably point out that the american psychiatric association has a goldwater rule which is that you should not make public statements about safety africa judgments public so you are a member of that gr

narcissism isn't very highly correlated with most southworth not sure narcissists are not unlock with themselves they actually hate themselves think it's a good practice to constantly speak to people lie don't all chomp down all the time their way the trash their marriage your trash bags all the time even you know and the trend of the kind that make i am not putting him down completely is i'm saying i think yes positive traits in terms of creativity and resilience of manic traits and for instance is having all these press briefings the. is a reflection of stamina please and i think that was a and it tends to do something positive and has some positive impact. and he did break some rules for instance with the with the congressional bill he was essentially giving social welfare benefits to people which goes against the consumer and as keep close to fly while it was an absolute no go i mean seriously what he did that unless it was an after the lucre and after mature everybody around him and i and they and they turned out to be a wise little yeah we didn't cause the flies to europe very q

and it's not just narcissism. it's petulance.e kept on saying, oh, you know, he didn't come to my inauguration, didn't come to my inauguration. then to have the gall to say i have done more for black americans than anybody else. you know who's done more for black americans than donald trump? john lewis! >> yeah, a lot more. >> a lot more. it was really stunning. it's also possible the president doesn't know what john lewis did, because i didn't see any connection there in the president's brain about the history there. so, david chalian. >> yeah, okay. >> stay well. he should. i mean, he should know, but -- >> yeah, he should absolutely know. i don't know, john, i think he probably does know, but he was still searching for a way to not give him any credit because of the personal grievance. >> petulance. all right, david, have a lovely day. >> thanks. you guys, too. >>> all right, prosecutors in new york making a stunning revelation in court about potential other investigations into the president and his business details, next. fro

what we have seen in this president is narcissism masquerading for patriotism. it is a sad response but i have to say i'm not terribly surprised. >> john lewis did not go to the president's inauguration. he also did not go to george w. bush's inauguration. this would not be something that's particularly unusual here in recent years and yet you saw the former president, president bush speaking at lewis' funeral. what do you make of that allegation from president trump? >> yeah. it was a grand moment. in american history to have president clinton and president bush and president obama all in the same house of god acknowledging the extraordinary contribution that this man has made to our great country. he is the embodiment of patriotism. as you point out he didn't come to george bush's inauguration and the sad thing about donald trump we are seeing it in this moment but in ways that are much more consequential that somehow he thinks public service is about him. i think public service is about the people you're trying to serve. and his -- second line of the response

narcissism of institutional failure. i think it's perfectly reasonable and in fact completely understandable that it institutions have failed you, if you don't think you can trust the media, the scientific establishment, the political system, the academic system and so on and so forth it makes perfect sense to turn inward, to rely on yourself and your own instead and desires and affinities and feelings as authoritative because at least you know that, you might be lying to yourself on a broader theological way but at least you might have slightly more trust that you're aware of yourself and you are of other people. >> so i guess to push on that point, is this sustainable? because this is a book about our whole culture but it is obviously focused on i guess you could say people younger than me. i just turned 40 so millennial generation z. these are people who are sort of conducting experiments in religion at the time that their conducting experiments in relationships and professional experiments and so on . and i think you

he has proven his level of immorality and narcissism. it is time that he be out of office and that we have someone who has integrity, honesty and decency. host: you are calling on the republican line. have you been a long time republican? caller: my entire life. everyone in my family is a republican. it is hard to be completely unrepresented these days as a republican because there are very few republicans that speak to what i believe is best for this country. host: thanks for calling in. jessica, santa cruz, california. independent line. caller: thank you again for having me. i just would like to remark on with the last lady said. my father was a republican his whole life. he was a naval captain. he wrote speeches for colin powell. he was the director -- at the pentagon. given that, my mom being a democrat, i have always been kind of divided and really listening. people like to encourage to not feel terrible about the fact that we have a really awful person in office. we did not know this was going to go this way. we can only go forward

doctors narcisse. trying very hard to treat diseases of the people and i've got to show it but they're doing right now today. than from summer to. winter we made decisions on government countermeasures against many facts have come to light during the past 6 months by taking out the cantor major turbo c.c.'s strike a balance between the preventive measures and social is going to stay with us it is possible we have seen an advancement of drugs that's built. to date of the people under. 40 years old it's 0 point one percent half of the people who died today are in their eighty's and older. than a high risk of severe symptoms for elderly people people suffering chronic diseases we try to save a life of the people. the most important key for the government is currently going to deal with that countermeasures for those people winter is coming down top 19 the seasonal flu may rise we may have more people who use. we have to deduce the burden on medical systems. and we're going to have a focus on the people wh

last 4 years now been criticizing the mental state i would save quite reasonably pointing to his narcissism but now they're running a candidates roost seemingly struggling with dementia so. it does doesn't bring up a lot of moral issues so. what's going to it's all about winning now of course a whopping after he wins 1st their office. become string together a simple sentence i think. yes it's going to be hard on president and the for the rest of the allies especially in europe they're going to see one they like more than trump but also one not well qualified to lead so i mean again assuming she very much this and a missile. george i mean with the most loot one of the most important elements to keep the international system stable is certainty what can what can you expect i mean in this case i mean when i look at you know last 3 and a half years truman on the margins pushed back against this injury agency consensus but you could have both a man in the white house in january that will have no resistance whatsoever it's going to it will sign you know well i'll sign anything i mean that you kno

it would be easier for security forces to slap them down when everybody's together so the public narcisse of the oppositional told them that they really do exist it's just that i was skeptical about it when i saw for myself that there are certain guys who coordinate the whole process when they write let's go to sports or the nice station and people go let's build barricades and they build barricades and they give coordinates where the water and medical kits is stored because you know this is the 1st case when rubber bullets tear gas and water cannons we used against the testers but i wouldn't call them protest is in my opinion those who came out on sunday were actually ideological protest is actually against alexander lukashenko they didn't vote for it but on monday yesterday those who just want to have a fight with the security forces k. . you know how many prime on the rector of the minsk council think the situation may be approaching a critical moment. what we have at the moment is partially the result of several really big mistakes his government government made over the last years bu

make a medical diagnosis so therefore i'm not going to say that president trump has some sort of narcissism issue when i when i'm not a psychologist and i haven't examined president trump same thing with. joe biden ok can't say that he has dementia or all these kinds of changes that you haven't actually examined him but i think going to grieve jason i think we can be fair here after there's a lot about him lying about his and i have a question and an observation hang on hold your horses here. you know we go to google and type in is donald trump crazy and you get a go you get to get search results that will take you days weeks and maybe months to read i'm sorry your argument doesn't stand any scrutiny whatsoever now and. now it's unfair to say sure source let me go to let me go to walter now ok let me go to walter the crazy is not a real diagnosis and that's not a diagnosis or why don't you weigh in here ok go ahead. well sure i mean specific diagnoses aside it's clear that joe biden doesn't have the mental fitness to veeck of the president to carry out all the tasks that that compass says i

we didn't get that, got malignant narcissism.eadership that put election ahead of the public's well-being. that's where we are now. and it didn't have to be this way. >> andy, want to bring you in and get your reaction to the projection, 310,000 deaths toll by -- almost 70% fewer deaths if people would only -- excuse me. would adapt these near universal mask wearing, would be 70,000, would be fewer desks. as dr. reiner said, doesn't have to be that way. if people would do what they're supposed to do, wear a mask, social distance, wouldn't have to do with that projected number. >> exactly right. we have the president we have, that's not going to change before the end of the year. i think we have to decide as americans we're not going to let that happen. when was the last time we had the opportunity to save 130,000 lives? we've never had that opportunity because we've never lost that many people in our lifetime. we have an extraordinary opportunity. can't think of a greater rallying cry. i'm upset we don't have a leader using that

i actually think that what we are seeing isn't necessarily a story of self is him or narcissism it's an institutional failure. if your institutions have failed you. if you don't think you can trust the media and the scientific establishment makes perfect sense. the instincts and desires in authority. you might have slightly more trust that you are aware of yourself and other people. to push on that point a tiny bit is this sustainable. it is a book about our whole court jury. it is focus on people younger than me. i just turned 40. so millenials and generation z. these are people who are conducting experiments in religion and a time in a time that they are conducting experiments i think you can tell a plausible story where these are the children of baby boomers who have their own rebellion and often sort of hung onto an institutional affiliation and obviously you talk a little bit about this kind of thing. generational turnover where they took one step out. their kids have it for the most part gone through the 50 to 60 years of life that awaits after your 20s. in which not necessaril

we got malignant narcissism. we got leadership that put an election ahead of the public's wellbeing. and so, that's -- that's where we are, now. and it didn't have to be this way. >> andy, i want to bring you in because -- and i want to get your reaction to that projection. that 310,000 deaths, total, by -- you know, that's almost 70% fewer deaths, if people only -- if -- if people would only -- excuse me -- would adopt these universal mask wearing, right? there would be 70,000 -- there would be fewer deaths. just as -- as dr. reiner said, it doesn't have to be that way. if people would just do what they're supposed to do, wear masks, social distance. we wouldn't have to deal with that projection number. >> exactly right. you know, we have the president we have. that's not going to change before the end of the year. so i think we have to decide, as americans, we are not going to let that happen. don, when was the last time we had the opportunity to save 130,000 lives? when have -- we've never had that opportunity

but i actually think what we're seeing isn't necessarily a story of false is him or narcissism but of an institutional failure. i think it is perfectly reasonable in fact completely understandable that if you are institutions have failed you. if you don't think you can trust the media, the scientific establishment. the political system, the academic system so on and so forth. it makes perfect sense to turn inward to rely on yourself. to rely on your gut instinct. in desires and affinities as authoritative. at least you know you might be lying to yourself but the broader theological way. you might have slightly more trust you're aware of yourself than other people. >> gas to push on that tiny bit is is it sustainable right? this is a book about our whole culture but it's obviously focused on a guess could say people younger than me. i just turned 40. so millennial's in generations the. these are people conducting experiments in religion at the time they're conducting experiments in relationships and professional experiments and so on. and, i think you can tell a plausible story where t

so beyond serving his narcissism, i don't see how this is advancing their strategic interest, the kindf convention we've seen the last two nights and then it looks like we're going to see the next two nights. >> and, phil, to john's point, everyone uses these interregnum hours between now and tomorrow night's session to look and see what the president tosses out on social media that may reverse some of the perceived gains of tonight. secondly, phil, it's been argued that this is -- a lot of this is aimed at a potentially shaky base and not looking to bring in independents at all. >> i think that's right. to the president's tweets, by the way, we'll see what he does tomorrow, but it might be in violation of the ethos that his wife laid out in her speech tonight. but looking at the base, you're absolutely right. so many of the speeches we saw last night and that we saw again tonight were aimed at bringing that base together, knitting back together the trump coalition from 2016, not necessarily looking to expand it but trying to give all of those base voters a reason to get further energi

that is really the issue, the incompetence, the malignant narcissism of the president's that resulted in those deaths. the lack of character indecency we proved during the trial left a lasting impression of the american people. but the pressing need to address the pandemic and the economic crisis that it has brought about for democrats is what we really need to be talking about and for the republicans what they don't want to talk about, but they also realize in terms of the president's impeachable conduct that's not much of a winner for them either. >> so even though he wasn't removed from office, the senate acquitted him. is the dividend here that we aren't hearing about joe biden and ukraine day in and day out? we're not hearing at least that piece of disinformation from this campaign. >> well, they may feel, look, they've got republican senators who are willing to push that disinformation, that bit of russian propaganda so they don't need to do it during the convention when they have the president's enablers doing it for them on a weekly basis in congress. but, you know, i really t

. >> errol louis, there was a moment of supreme and remarkable narcissism in this interview when jonathan swann asked about the passing of john lewis, a man i don't have to tell you, with decades in the civil rights fight, decades serving in congress. here's how the president discussed him. >> john lewis is lying in state in the u.s. capitol. how do you think history will remember john lewis? >> i don't know. i really don't know. i don't know. i don't know john lewis. he chose not to come to my inauguration. he chose -- i don't -- i never met john lewis, actually, i don't believe. >> do you find him impressive? >> uh, i can't say one way or the other. i find a lot of people impressive. i find many people not impressive, no. >> do you find his story impressive? >> he didn't come to my inauguration. he didn't come to my state of the union speeches. and that's okay. >> errol louis, all about him. >> yeah, this is the trump style. this is how he succeeded in business. this is how, frankly, he succeeded in politics. the attitude is, you step on my toe, and i'll chop off your head. a relatively

is the most important, the most powerful person on the planet only feeds into that, a, sense of narcissismat a chilling moment for you knowing how all of that would be reinforced? >> yeah, it was, as i said, one of the worst nights of my life because i knew-- >> stephen: you and me both, sister. >> yeah. and i took it really personally. i guess i shouldn't have because, you know, it is not like people had me in mind when they were casting their vote, but it felt really personal. um, and-- >> stephen: this all must feel personal in some way because when i hear you say "donald." a lot of people call the president donald sometimes to try to diminish his sense of status or something like that. but when you say donald, you are just talking about your uncle. is it odd for you to have this personal and intimate connection with this man who is, for better and worse-- and i'm going to say worse-- a transformative, political figure regardless of whether it is a destructive one? >> it's awful, honestly. >> stephen: is it surreal? >> it... it is still very difficult for me to wrap my head around it. i

belong to all of us were profoundly abused in the name of trump's personal vanity and political narcissism. joining us now is my friend steve schmidt, former republican strategist, co-founder of the lincoln project, and a man who does not mince words. thanks for being here. i've been wanting to talk to you all week. >> nice to see you, rachel. thanks for having me. >> i wanted to ask about this phrase from you today, an exposition of lawlessness. what we've heard from the witness and from the campaign is, yeah, technically it's illegal but everybody expects to see political events from the white house. anybody complaining about this is an elite beltway person. we're going to do it more and more because it bugs you. it's not a serious law. but you're describing this as something that is basically showing off an ability to break the law in a way that's dangerous. >> of course it is. the president is constitutionally bound to faithfully execute the laws that are duly passed by the congress and have been signed into law by previous presidents. it's the law. they're blatantly breaking the law.

and i think in some ways i think that the president sort of, you know, his narcissism for a long time refused to let him believe the polls or that he was behind. and in some ways, i think that it getting through to him he is more dangerous because of what that incent vises him to do. >> a couple things. one, i'm going to kind of disagree with both of you on the mean because i think we're in a different time. but, two, is this is the difficulty with what we're seeing happening here. i mean, they paused their advertising spending. my head wants to explode, chris. when in all history has a presidential ad at this point said, you know what, let's just pause on advertising. but part and parcel of it is the part with the advertising. you are a student of political history. people know about morning in america, famous ad. but that wasn't different from a '96 bill clinton america back where bill clinton talked about how america was stronger, safer and more prosperous because of what he's done. george bush talked about, again, america was better off and safer and stronger because of what he's

so the idea that there's a sacrifice for president trump speaks to the incredible level of narcissism that exists within that family. and the contrast between the obamas, the bidens, kamala harris and everyone else with what you're going to see next week, which is not a convention about america, it's going to be a convention that exists in the extended fox news universe, where we'll see a bunch of trolling and absurdity. and so i think the contrast between a democratic convention that's about america and people that are the american story and what you're going see in the republican convention is a contrast that's going to work very well for the democratic party and joe biden and kamala harris. >> i want to think back to last night, to you, marilyn mosby. you come from the state that showed it's the home of harriet tubman, which was my favorite moments last night in the roll call. this is not a state up for grabs, maryland. but it's not a state when the governor is the most helpful when it comes to encouraging people to vote. how do you motivate voters in a state where they think they

so i think it's that, and i think that biden's empathy matches up perfectly well with trump's narcissism. >> ladies and gentlemen, the book can be ordered starting today. it is called -- and we'll show the cover again if it was ambiguous behind the author -- "you're fired: the perfect guide to beating donald trump." our thanks to our friend paul begala. we wish you health and safety. happy trails. and as always, hook 'em horns. go get 'em, paul. thank you. >>> coming up for us, voters in several states did go to the polls today. steve kornacki at the big board in new york, if you remember the big board in new york, with a primary update of all things when we come right back. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the services of the post office plus ups only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4 week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/save and never go to the post offic

i am furious at this little, small man trashing the people's house with his narcissism and his ego, using people that were becoming american citizens as props. and by the way, he's the most anti-immigrant president in the history of our country. i hope journalists are busy right now because i guarantee you there's somebody in that group that would not be allowed in this country under this preside president's policies. you know, it is just infuriating that he has blown up the hatch act like this and that all these people think these rules don't apply to them. who do they think they are? it is just infuriating. and by the way, melania trump, let me give her credit. she at least said for the first time anybody in this white house has ever said how badly she feels for the families who have lost a loved one to covid. but let's be real about whether or not she's really going to help him with women in the suburbs. they know what the deal is here. they've all defended husbands publicly. this is a woman whose husband had to pay court costs this week because he paid off a porn star because he was h

but i actually think that what we're seeing isn't necessarily a story of narcissism, but of institutional failure and things that it is perfect hi reasonable and, in fact, completely understandable that if your institutions have failed you, if you don't think the you can trust the media, the scientific establishment, the political system, the academic system, so on and so forth, it makes perfect sense to turn inward, to rely on yourself, to rely on your own desires and affinities and feelings as authoritative because at least you know that you're not -- well, you might be lying to yourself in a sort of broader theological way, but you might have chutely more trust that you're awe aware of yourself than i you are of other people. >> so i i guess to push on that point a tiny bit, is this sustainable, right? because, you know, this is a book about our whole culture, but it is, obviously, focused on i guess you could say people younger than me. i just turned 40. so millennials and generation z. and these are people that are sort of conducting experiments in religion at a time that they're con

anyone necked to reality, for that matter, would be mortified by the sheer combination of idiocy, narcissism and pettiness on display throughout the president's entire axios interview. it's -- i mean, even 3 1/2 years, it's a shocking thing to watch. we know who he is. this is the republican party right now. the whole thing. this guy. floundering through one disaster through another after a half an hour after this interview ended on this unbelievably petty moment. >> how do you think history will remember john lewis. >> i don't know. i really don't know. i don't know john lewis. he chose not to come to my inauguration. he chose -- i don't -- i never met john lewis, actually, i don't believe. >> do you find him impressive? >> i can't say one wear or the other. i find a lot of people impressive. i find many people not impressive. >> do you find his story impressive. >> he didn't come to my inauguration. he didn't come to my state of the union speeches. and that's okay. that's his right. >> that's it. that's all he has to say about john lewis. didn't come to my inauguration. says it twice. stat

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. >> i think that you hit it right when you talked about his narcissism. that, it shows a man deeply insecure. when you are asked about how history will remember someone, and you can only reduce your assessment of history by saying how they related to you, he didn't come to my inauguration. he didn't come to my state of the union address. you see history only within the boundaries of your own being, that's sick. i mean, that's someone that needs a lot of help and therapy, because history is not going to judge anybody based on how they related or didn't relate to donald trump. and to go from being a little insecure and a lot narcissistic to being delusional is to act as though the civil rights act, which legally banned and barred public accommodations being segregated or didn't work out so well, i guess if you are talking to a man who was sued by the federal government for discrimination in the buildings he and his father owned and managed, i guess it did mean a lot to him, because he would have been on the other side of the civil rights act, which is why h

we know that he's got mental problems in terms of his narcissism. it clouds everything and obviously he's got some deficiencies as well that have been brought on maybe by age, maybe by pressure. i tell you one thing, chris. this, today, i'm kind of grateful that he went over the top like that about joe biden, because it gives joe biden's camp the ability to talk about joe biden's faith. i mean, anybody who knows him knows that he is a life long practicing catholic, and that he is deeply faithful. in many ways he reminds me of your father and the ability to pull faith into policy and caring for the least of these. joe biden walks the talk. he carries a rosary with him every day. it's just part of his dna. so the fact that trump would raise this as, in sort of this flailing -- i can't imagine that this was part of his written script that he's just trying as hard as he possibly can -- >> or he is delusional. my concern is, i got two issues here. i had always just assumed he was lying, defying reality, and denying it for his own benefit. but maybe he do

cornell, in some ways, i think the president's, you know, his narcissism, for a long time, refused to let him believe the polls or that he was behind. and in some ways, i think that it getting through to him that he is, is more dangerous because of what that then incentivizes him to do. >> well, a couple things. one, i'm going to -- i'm going to kind of disagree with both of you. on -- on -- i think -- i think we're at a different time. but -- but, two, is this is the difficulty with what we are seeing happening here. i mean, they paused their advertising spending. my head wants to explode, chris. when in -- in -- in -- in all history has a presidential -- at this point, said you know what? let's just pause all our advertising. but part and parcel of it is part from the advertising. people know about -- but that wasn wasn't different from, you know, a '96 bill clinton, america back where bill clinton talked about how america was stronger, safer, more prosperous now because of what he -- what he's done. and george bush, you know, safer and stronger. where he talked about, again, americ