richards gammon. ♪ richard: this is richard scammon.ith me here in our studios in washington, stephen hess of the brookings institution. this morning we are going to try and talk with you about the end of the primary season. the beginning of the preconvention caucus and maneuver and discussion and trying to get together various factions of the groups each to produce a candidate for vice president in the fall. backpose, when one looks at the primary season that began in february, closed on june 8 in california. as one looks back. there are two things that stand out. jimmy carter, and the closeness of the republican campaign for

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richard scammon. richard: this is richard scammon in washington. e are professor howard honeyman of howard -- howard university and mr. stephen hess of the brookings institution. we want to discuss the democratic convention. we will do the republican convention at a later time when that meeting has been finished. but perhaps before we do either of the detailed discussions we conventions, we want to spend at least a few minutes talking about the basic purpose of an american national presidential nominating convention. one observer has said these conventions are real ideological struggles told as circuses. we know the main purpose is to nominate a candidate for president. but howard penniman, beyond that, how can we briefly describe the process of an american convention? howard: the national convention is the time of the nominating of the president and vice president. it is also the one time the party has the national existence. it meets there with delegates from every state in the union, elected by various means, this time by the direct primary but s

richard scanlan. richard: this is richard scanlan in washington. with me today our professor howard penniman of georgetown university mr.stein hess of the brooks institution. this morning we want to talk about the republican convention in kansas city what it was, what it did, what it represents for the party and for the public in the united states and try to inquire a little into what the projection of that convention on the campaign season to come may mean for american politics in this bicentennial year and in the long range. neither professor penniman were in kansas, but our colleague steve hess was. start us off, steven. stephen: they did what a serious american political party is supposed to do in convention. it nominated for president, a candidate who the polls showed had the best chance of winning in november, mr. ford, even though the intensity of support spore for his opponent, mr. reagan was greater. senator dole, a candidate who deattracted least from the ticket which is basically what we expect of a vice presidential candidate. it wrote a

richard's. and speaking of richard's play, and this is all i'll say, having reread it again a couple times, it is so vital to -- and it speaks, in its way -- to what this country is going through. paul: richard, why don't you tell us a little about that now? i know that we -- this is obviously a session that we had scheduled some time ago, before all of the events of the last 10 days or so. but, i mean, here we are, talking about a play about these two extraordinary figures, these powerful, you know, figures, and clearly black and white, lincoln and douglass on stage, the power it had. tell us, richard, about what that play meant in that respect eight years ago, and how it resonates today still, or how it speaks to the issues we're dealing with today. richard: that's a tough one because i -- i get weary, i guess it's just me, but i get wary of plays that try to speak to a time. and i'm sure it's just me. i don't think theater is necessarily a very good newspaper, unless it's designed to be that. david: that's not what your play ever intended to do. that's what's ironic about the whole thing. richard: exactly. i think you write the word that's responding to that point in time if i wrote it no

richard. richard, do we get sanctions? richard: we will get sanctions soon. ly wantedrs to send a symbolic message to the people of belarus that they support them and they want to the violence to end. andtions are in the works, they repeated that they want the sanctions to be imposed as soon as possible, and directed specifically at members who were involved in election fraud, and members involved in postelection violence. so, there is a lot in the works step now, and the next should be more details on those sanctions. alix: is an aggressive, or is it sort of a measured step? what was your initial take away? i am wondering how hard putin goes and how hard the western leaders go? richard: that is a good point. the e.u. wants to take a forceful stance because belarus porters three member states, that they do not want to incite aggressive behavior from the kremlin, and before the meeting started, sergei lavrov demanded that the e.u. not get involved in the situation. today's meeting was mostly symbolic. the sanctions are in the works but they are not broad. the e

richard richard you recently wrote a critique of secretary might pump ayos speech at the nixon library and in it you said he misunderstood history he misunderstood what nixon and kissinger were trying to do with china at that time tell us more. good to be with you steve the secretary of state suggested that the engagement policy with china had because it did bring about a china that was more open and liberal politically or economically and when i argued is that was never the intention that was never their goal though the policy aim to change chinese foreign policy to work with china against the common enemy of the soviet union and in fact it succeeded we won the cold war on terms even enough to miss would have would have had difficulty coming up but isn't it partially true that in later steps like bringing china into the world trade organization bringing it into various international institutions the thought would was that those institutions would liberalize it but if there was some who have i thought was overly optimistic view of what to expect once we brought china into those institutions i also think that we made certain mistakes that after china was brought into the w t o i don't think we adjusted the terms of their membership as china's economy began to grow as china became more integrated and in the world we kept treating them as a developing country when we ought to been we ought to have been more demanding but again i still thought that the basic thrust of the policy which is more traditional was to influence chinese foreign policy and the whole idea was to embed them in arrangements in the region so that among other things they wouldn't be tempted to use military force to change the status of taiwan or to change in the situation in the south china sea and my argument is now for decades that policy largely worked. well right now it seems that donald trump is very fixated on china now we are a few months a months just before an election in the united states and i remember when barack obama and mitt romney were running against each other they talked every other day about china being a currency manipulator and they're caught in the complications and problems china was creating in the world is this a lot of election posturing or do you think there's something deeper and more real in president trump's posturing on china and the short answer to your question is yes it's both i do think to some extent it's a lecture and posturing there has been an attempt to in some ways blame china. for recent problems including the and and china ought to be criticized harshly for risky havior early on though i think once the pandemic reached our shores the the responsibility is our own through what we've done or more or for what we what we haven't done the taking a step back i think would be wrong to dismiss the many of the problems in u.s. chinese relations simply as a byproduct of the american political calendar and then after november they're going away i don't think so i think the problems are real and they're going to be challenging either for president or for president help indeed this might seem counterintuitive to some people watching this might be slightly more difficult for president biden in the sense that he's unlikely to be as preoccupied as president trump with these narrow trade deals about expanding american exports to china so i don't think the united states and there are a president by then and i'm to speak from obviously but if it were to happen i don't think china simply agreeing to high or low in agricultural or manufactured trinkets would make a big difference. well i want to get to hong kong as you just mentioned for a moment but you said something that really stands out to me you don't see even if there's a change in leadership in the united states any easy snapback going back to a different kind of u.s. china relationship no i think this is now and it's some way it's imbedded structurally in the bilateral relationship but also if you read the sorts of things that people advise him by spreads and by have been writing and saying magazines like ours and in foreign affairs it's not as though this represents a soft on china perspective to the to the contrary a lot of the people who seem to have vice presidents and vice president biden's ear have been consistently tough on china over human rights concerns the readers the more repression in the country as i tell people in china you you shouldn't just attribute this to the president trump or to or to the american election this is out there it's real there's a degree of bipartisanship here where i think though there could be a big difference is though in a president biden's if it comes to that his willingness to forge a common relationship with the american allies in europe and in asia and actually i think that has a bit of an upside promise to put more pressure on china and you mentioned hong kong a minute ago let me play you a clip of something president trump said on hong kong. but that's between hong kong and that's between china because i'm going this is a part of the deal with that themselves they don't need advice now let's listen to secretary pompei oh on hong kong indeed we have a nato ally of course that hasn't stood up in the way that it needs to with respect to hong kong because they fear beijing will restrict access to china's market. this is the kind of timidity. that will lead to historic failure and we can't repeat it we cannot repeat the mistakes of these past 2 years so we have 2 leading members of this administration one the president the other secretary of state saying diametrically opposed views on hong kong so i want to get back to your point about what are we to make of these mixed signals when it comes to china when it comes to allies you know are they with us are they against us those kinds of issues or. well separated to 2 areas one is the very mixed signals about u.s. indifference to what china did either in hock on her against the weavers john bolton's book is you know basically has the president giving the chinese a free ride to do pretty much what they want to their own citizens even gross violations of human rights it's one of the reasons that some of this criticism now by the secretary of state seems like too little too late and the fact that it's just aimed at china i don't see equivalent criticism of russia or the are other countries which always say a criticism on these grounds again makes it look quite opportunistic rather than principle and again in the secretary of state speech this the way you discuss germany is kind of the. back of the hand to show them that's not my experience the way to bring about alliance cooperation be it against china or anybody else and this is ministration and what was its 1st big farm policy decision when i came into office was not to join the transpacific partnership that would have put us together with countries representing at least another 2025 percent of global g.d.p. we then together could have gone to china and say hey you want to access to our markets here's the economic standard you're going to have to meet in terms of trade in terms of respecting intellectual property what have you so it's very hard for the ministration now to be saying we're robust on china when in all sorts of ways it chipped away opportunities over the years to do and be just. you know one of the other points that you raise in your critique is that america seems to be putting up barriers complaining but not necessarily moving in to fixing problems as you've just said not necessarily finding allies to fight common purpose with you know whether it's climate change or wa way you worked with everyone in foreign policy and do they not see this. the government i met with then attended a trump during the campaign and we talked about the world about american foreign policy and one of the things i came away with is he really has. a negative view towards ours rather than seeing them as our owners rather than seeing them as a force multipliers rather than seeing them as a structural advantage for the united states he tends to see them as free riders he tends to see them as economic competitors and what i really think this is ministration needs is to a different view i don't mind the put a fundamental change in their take on what partners and allies are and that we have to be willing to do things with them rather than to them and we just can't insist they work with us against china or anybody else rather we've got to consult with them come up with a comment that maybe an uncertain face as we put aside some of our economic differences because we have this greater partner i'm going up with a common front on china that's what strategy is all about was part of our usual act in a disciplined way and i should please don't see us doing that or you know you're not only someone focused on guns and militaries and you know the classic you also spent particularly your new book which i'd love to get into you talk about you know economics and the global financial order and to certain degree most of the people that i know that a focus on u.s. china relations just like we used to talk about japan say their economic interdependencies that are really profound between these 2 countries and that you just can't on table them without staggering costs and so what is your take on the economic dimensions and you see things like the reserve currency status of the dollar threatened in a collision like i think someone in this town in washington with china today. here is a couple of big issues i think the idea that the united states and china could quote unquote. totally divorce i think is simply not on china's to present too many places the us chinese economic relationship is too elaborate and too expensive the real question is could and should we ensure in select areas distance ourselves particularly areas say of high technology and i think the area and the answer there is maybe but again not to use a famous strategic saying you can't beat something with nothing so if you want to encourage others not to opt into a chinese led 5 g. system you need to have and then have an american or american european or american european japanese south korean alternative or right now at least there isn't one but but it seems to be the goal is not a total horse on the other hand it's not a total marriage which china what i think is we need something a little bit more in the in the gray area and i think that's possible you raise a 2nd issue though which is the role of the dollar and that depends on lots of things but it depends on american competence and perceptions of it depends upon the fact in america want to approach the channeling of the dollar just not now really what will think about its implications for the rest of the world and i think combination of coded our incompetent response to that at times or weaponize ing the dollar through various sanctions running up this enormous debt i think all this and more has raised questions about the dollar so i don't think this is the sort of thing that ends in a day but i do think gradually you did to see probably on an accelerated timeframe the emergence of various not so much alternatives but. they would co-exist with the $1.01 question is whether china makes its currency much more convertible is the question of the euro question of yen question crypto currency is but i think the era where the dollar was pretty much the only game in town i think where we're just we're probably at the beginning of the end of that era and with that united states could lose a lot of influence and could find its own. itself more economic revolt horrible on the implications or consequences of its own economic policies and so. i mean as a planner who has helped guide us foreign policy through so many hinge points after the you know the fall of the berlin wall after you know many other times this must be a time that's frustrating for you when you see a kind of diminishment of american power in the world. well i do and i worry about it i don't think it's warranted and i don't see a substitute coming about you know be one thing if the united states was dialing down and there was something better we and others were putting in its place but i don't see that i think the alternative to a world that is led by the united states working with will be a world that's much less organized i think it would be to the detriment of the united states and everybody else and what's so frustrating to me steve is i expect that might be to you because i don't think there's cost savings in this whole mindset that american leadership costs us more than the benefits us is just simply wrong it's not borne out by the facts or or by history and as we learned on $911.00 as we're learning now with over 19 we can't insulate ourselves from the world so even if we we show this and we should be doing more here at home i get it we're going to have to deal with the 10s of millions of unemployed in our health problems and our race problems but the world's not going to say ok you americans go sort out your domestic problems and come back when you're ready we'll just you know we'll park it we'll wait you history doesn't work that there's no cause we've got to pay attention to the world at the same time we pay attention to our domestic problems or the world will deteriorate and that will actually make it even tougher for us to deal with our domestic challenges so i worry about the dynamics some of this began under the previous administration which recluse or signs of it in the middle east but we're seeing it really accelerate now with the world i constantly uses abdication we've really pulled back in a in a dramatic way and i worry because when i look at the sweep of history and i look at the last 7075 years the post world war 2 era i think this is been an extraordinary wrong not just for the united states but for the world no great power conflict incredible increases in wealth and standards of living billions of people brought out of the average lifespan of around the world isn't. produced by in some cases it's democracy is forced in many places around the world so for me to bring to do anything in the hastens the end of this order which the united states had so much to do with bringing about and sustaining i really think short sided with understand. the book you've just written the world is is very interesting and i'm one of the many thousands of people who read all of your books i really appreciate your willingness to share with us your insights about global affairs and the tectonics of the system that we're in but i guess when i watch donald trump beat hillary clinton when i would go to oklahoma and kansas texas talk to my relatives they have this sense it was a joke in new york and d.c. but they have this sense that america had fought the cold war and china had won that the benefits to them of being internationally gauge were more problems in cost than they were benefits and you began to see people particularly military families who had generations of military service begin to kind of reject global affairs you've now written this book called the world. to try to bolster the literacy of those folks and to tell them but tell us about the book and why why you did it. well the reason i did it is i thought that too many americans didn't understand why the world matters didn't understand the costs and benefits of american bombing in the world you can graduate from virtually any of our great universities and not learn any of the subjects they're offered but they're not required for students to take before they graduate and we really don't cover these issues in any depth on our on our news programs nightly news program and on television the internet does have this information the problem is us tons of other information and in the internet doesn't come with a little stick little note saying read this but not but not that i'm worried me is that most americans didn't understand and many cases the importance of the world and the costs and benefits of american involvement in the world that would be too willing to simply walk away from it we're seeing signs of seeing signs of that and not what i think is the benefits have and continue to largely worth the cost in terms of american involvement which is not to say we haven't made mistakes and i think we overreached in places like iraq and afghanistan and that fed this narrative that the world is simply an expensive dangerous place that's not worth that but the real danger now is not american overreach it's american underage and what i want to do is write a book that basically makes 2 points the world matters isolationism it is folly and 2nd of all that there's nothing we can do better in the world by ourselves than we can do with others there is a case for for multilateralism obviously it has to be smart we've got to be creative but my argument is that to make americans more aware about the world in parchin when they go vote say this november they look at what the candidates are saying because whoever they do they president or whoever they make a senator or congressman these people are going to have tremendous influence over what the united states doesn't know which in turn will affect the world which will then tremendous impact on the lives of americans so my goal was essentially to write a book that may be made these connections. well i think we're all grateful for that you know when you look at libya today and you see russia now operating in libya which was and would have been an unthinkable a few years ago i'm interested in what you think is going to unfold and in that region or other regions the well are we just going towards chaos. or do you see something else out there like i wish i could give you enough the mystic answer but the middle east has been is and quite likely will be the most turbulent part of the world right now things could get worse given the situation with iran given the challenges in egypt and in saudi and saudi arabia i don't see any of the prerequisites in the middle east of stability or progress by virtually every measure you haven't decided is what's what what's what's if you will the goldilocks solution what's neither too much nor too little and i think that's a debate that we're quietly having in this country we're having a little bit about afghanistan about syria about american forces in iraq and what could you know what could drive this in many ways is also what is around and what is the united states to describe or just basically come to conclude is tolerable or is not so you know yeah there might be a lot of americans who want to be done with the middle east but the middle east is not done with the united states so i think we're going to be involved here deeply for years to come but a lot of the details yet to be have yet to be. determined by the united states. richard i would be remiss if i didn't ask you one more question again related to a different book you want to wrote in that book you basically argued that u.s. foreign policy was directly linked to the domestic economic and social conditions of a country it's hard to imagine a bigger mess than in the united states today with 44000000 people unemployed you know racial divides in the nation and a pandemic hitting as sort of 3 tsunamis at the same time and so i just want to ask you to reflect on the domestic sources of foreign policy which you've got that said we've got to fix this stuff that you said it years ago. that was not heeded and so i just kind of remember that book and say wow if only everyone had read richard haass but tell me your thoughts right now on this moment where our domestic you know set of conditions are pretty horrible. thank you for raising it the book is foreign policy begins at home and you're right the 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richard. richard in missouri. thank you for waiting. >> caller: yeah, you know, this is fine and good, but i was about eight years old whenever they dropped the bomb. and i remember our attitude in the united states in school and everywhere. we had a gentleman from our little town in the death march. we were tickled to death they dropped the bomb and stopped the war. they told us it stopped the war, and boy, we were happy that it did. the attitude of the american people is the kamikaze pilots and all this, we seen all that. and nothing was too bad to do to the japanese at the time. but you know, i think macarthur actually, truman, he was in war himself, he seen what war was. and i think macarthur at one time wanted to drop the bomb in korea when it was getting hard up there. but the bombs -- it's an awful thing, but if we didn't have bombs, would there be more wars now? we all know that everybody has a bomb and we're all playing chicken with it, and maybe it stops some wars by having bombs. i don't know. >> richard, thank you. thank yo. peter kuznick. >> yes. the american public was told people exactly what richard was saying. that it would save lives. susan rice might be the next vice president wrote in an op-ed in "the new york times" that truman saved her father's life, that he was ready to deploy to the pacific and that dropping the atomic bombs ended the war and forced the japanese surrender. that is the myth. obama said the same thing in hiroshima, he said world war ii was a brutal end to hiroshima and nagasaki. 85% of the american people, according to the gallup poll in 1945 supported dropping the ato theic -- dropping the atomic bomb. 72% of the american people wish the japanese had not surrendered so quickly so we could have dropped more atomic bombs on them. and so that was the attitude. and was it racism, that might have factored in a little bit. but the japanese were brutal and vicious. the baton death march which happened in 1942 and doesn't get known until january of '44. what they

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richards gammon. ♪ richard: this is richard scammon. me here in our studios in washington, stephen hess of the brookings institution. this morning we are going to try and talk with you about the end of the primary season. the beginning of the preconvention caucus and maneuver and discussion and trying to get together various factions of the groups each to produce a candidate for vice president in the fall. backpose, when one looks at the primary season that began in february, closed on june 8 in california. as one looks back. there are two things that stand out. jimmy carter, and the closeness of the republican campaign for the nomination. steve, how would you evaluate this phenomenon. here's governor of a middle sized state in the south and pretty well a sword of nomination as the first southerner since the civil war. how did he do it? stephen: it is a phenomenon, an incredible performance for who is that unknown nationally, who had only been governor for one term of a little sized southern state. of course you might say one lesson we

richard scammon. ♪ richard: this is richard scammon. e here in our studios in washington, stephen hess of the brookings institution. this morning we are going to try and talk with you about the end of the primary season. the beginning of the preconvention caucus and maneuver and discussion and trying to get together various factions to produce a candidate for president and vice president in the fall. i suppose really when one looks back on this primary season that newn back in february in hampshire, closed down in california and ohio and new jersey, as one looks back, there are two things really that stand out. the first is the rise of jimmy carter. the second, the closeness of the republican campaign for the nomination. steve, how would you evaluate this carter phenomenon? here is a man who was governor of a middle size state in the south. pretty well assured the nomination, pretty well assured the nomination really as the first southerner since the civil war. how did he do it? stephen: it is a phenomenon, an incredible performance for

[applause] here.ole front row is ever been no richard? richard has done more for sports and for shooters, reserving the second amendment than just about anyone. i get that as a business guy, it is not easy to be vocal about it. it is sort of interesting. the last few months, i've seen a pretty dynamic shift. all of these people from my hometown that have spent the last 10 years arguing about me about why they really needed in ar-15 or as joe biden would call it, an ar 40. but joe biden would say it is great to be here in the state of alaska, too. [laughter] [applause] those people from the people's republic of new york are calling me. don, what ar-15 do i get? i say, say it louder, i can hear you. guy who i had the argument with for like 15 years as to why i need one and you claim i don't? don, i'm at the gun store right now. i'm at the gun store right now. there's a waiting period. -telling you there is a waiting period for a long time, you've been telling me it doesn't exist. don, they are making me fill out a paper form. there is a background

richard. richard thank you for waiting, you're on with cosmic? >> yeah this is -- how years old when i really got the bomb. i remember ahead he to the united states, -- we had a gentleman from our little town we -- we was tickled to death of a drop the bomb and stop the war. they told us and stop the bore, and we were happy that they did. the other two american people the kamikaze pilots and all this we've seen all the. nothing is too bad to do to the japanese at the time. but you know i think mcarthur actually truman, he was in war himself. he seemed war was. and, i think mcarthur one time, wanted to drop the bomb and korea. when it was just getting heart of their. the bombs, it's an awful thing, but if we did not have bombs, will there be more wars now? we all know that everyone has a bomb, we're all playing chicken with it. maybe stopped some more by having bombs. >> richard thank you. peter cosmic? >> u.s.. the american public was told exactly what richard was saying. that the bombs ended the war, and save lives. susan rice might be our next vice president. road in a hotbed in the you know at times. that truman saved her father's life. that he was ready to deploy to the pacific. and that dropping the atomic bomb ended the war and force the japanese to. surrender that's the mid. obama basically said the same thing when he was in hiroshima. when it was world war ii here is brittle and in hiroshima and nagasaki. 85% of the american people, according to the gallup poll in 1940 fives supported dropping the atomic bomb. a robot poll that came out absolute after 1945, said that 22.7% of the american people wish the japanese had not surrendered so quickly, so they could've dropped more atomic bombs on them. 30% in the southwest. so that was the attitude. was it racism? by de facto a little bit. japanese were -- evil ambitious. -- the death march in 1942 doesn't

richard richard is in verona missouri. >> yes you know, this is finding good, but i was about eight years old when they drop the bomb. and i remember, our attitude in the united states, we had a gentleman and we were tickled to death that they drop that bomb. they told us it would stop the war and we are happy it did. the other two is the kamikaze pilots and we've seen all that and nothing was too bad for them in the time but i think mcarthur, he was you know he seen what war was, and i think mcarthur one point when we drop the bomb in korea when it was getting hard up there and the bombs, it's an awful thing that if we didn't have bombs they would with there be more wars now and you know we knew we had the bomber all playing chicken with it. but maybe it stop somewhere by having the bombs? >> thank you. >> peter cosmic. >> the american public was told, exactly what richard was saying, that the bomb ended the war and saved lives. the person who may be our next vice president, road in an op-ed in the new york times. that truman saved her father's life, because he was ready to deploy to the pacific. and then dropping the atomic bombs force the japanese surrender that's the mid. obama basically said the same thing when he was in hiroshima. 85% of the american people according to the gallup poll in 1945 supported dropping the america -- the atomic bomb. full the came shortly after in 1945 said 22.7% of the american people wished the japanese had not surrendered so quickly so we could have dropped more atomic arms on them. 30% in the southwest said -- so that was the attitude. was it racism? that might have factored in a little bit. but the japanese were brutal and vicious. the baton death march which happen in 42 doesn't get known in the u.s. until january 44. what the japanese did was horrific. what the japanese were doing throughout the pacific was horrifi

richard guilder. richard watson guilder. >> richard guilder. >> and of course the new york historical society and the city and central park and all his other objects ofis life of generosity just lost our richard guilder and brings the story full cycle. >> absolutely indeed. well, we are about ready to open it up for questions. i see our first one is this, harold. why were george washington and thomas jefferson statues considered jokes and removed? >> i only said that the washington was a joke. i'm not even sure -- >> because it kind of is. >> it is. >> sorry. >> so, the jefferson was removed because they remodelled the fountain area in front of the white house where it had stood. the washington was a -- horacio grade was the sculptor, i think. and it showed washington in a toga, bare-chested. and although it was visible -- >> it's huge. it's gigantic. >> it's gigantic. and it's visible in the early photographs of presidential inaugurations. lincoln looked at the back of it when he was inaugurated in 1861 and 1865. people just thought it was a riot to see george washington without a shirt. and they nic

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with richard it's very different with richard it's classical contemporary afro japanese march choreography it's japan. europe. africa a mixture of minos that. you know i'm watching them work right now it's really interesting for such some of some of the vocabulary of human textures is quite electric now but in classical ballet by and large you always keep your shoulders over your hips fired right further clear. in these styles since. that's african styles and what the 1st thing that i put on imitating when i'm trying to do the stats is there is the posture of yourselves and of course as soon as you bring your you or your soldiers in front of your it's and you bend your knees and you can you and your lecture lecture but pullbacks there's a lot of movement potential. this . is who got this group of african drummers coming tomorrow and i think it would be really interesting among other things to do it would be to actually change the music you know switch them years ago see what happens and for that the best thing would be if we could push it a little bit further the choreography a little bit

richard wolffe richard a professor wolf it's always a pleasure to have you on the show i think there is a big question here when we talk about the cancellation of these trade talks is this trade deal dead. absolutely not let me be as clear as i know how to. listening to president trump explain that he won't talk to john or because of what they did to these current treat he's a desperate effort to transfer the blame for not being prepared to recall the virus from not being able to search any note for the rule of fact that the united states were ordered standard beat world's population of the world that's 25 percent not the whole the and the corridor deaths the blame not on china which no one else in the world can see it is an extraordinary act having said that the rhetoric i'm proud china is not matching my words let me give you 2 examples the last week surveys were done big businesses in hong kong with all the noise about what the chinese did in reasserting their authority no one in china no major business is leaving china or has any plans 2nd example bring american chinese traders don't the asian great and great change american companies in china they recently released their service 80 plus percent of the businesses there i have no plans to read because they don't believe there's anything more then they're all posturing why the president in a difficult the election will look as though he can bash the chinese rather like it bash immigrants and others in the past this is not a bad trade trade it is a hostage held probably election and most of the players that matter here believe that once the election is over none of this is going to be continued very much for of and pontificating about what might happen in the election if president trump is unseated is obviously a discussion for another day but i think the question here is a lot of attention is given to pray. because he'd like to say a lot of things but what do you make of the chinese reaction to all of this posturing from the united states you know they've been very hardline about everything that's going on with this tech war as well as trade and you have way tic-tac in all of that what are you making of their reaction to this. you know reaction strikes me as cautious careful very much the opposite of it's clear. we provoke them polish is surely a response and i think that for 2 reasons as long as this is rhetoric as long as this is the right tool electoral posturing and it doesn't fundamentally have thanks for joining me there ok and the truth of the matter is if you go into your neighborhood or they ask majority of chinese things that were on the shelf a year ago or they're on the shelf again this year right now and still the fundamentals haven't been changed and let me add because it's true if the chinese were really upset they could add and they would have taken action against american corporations in china comparable to what the us has gone to chinese companies here they've done nothing wrong with stuart hall the always insightful professor richard roth host of economic update thank you so much for breaking it down 4th today my treasure. and the u.s. dollar fought to stay just above 27 month lows as investors were waiting on the release of minutes from the federal reserve's july meetings now you will remember the federal open market committee declined to announce any new policy steps at the end of those meetings though in the minutes released way the officials at the meeting agreed that the ongoing public health crisis would weigh heavily on economic activity employment and inflation in the near term and was posing considerable risk to the economic outlook over the medium term now adding that they will hold interest rates at a range of 0 to 0.25 percent until they are confident that the economy had weathered recent events and was on track to achieve the committee's maximum employment and price stability goals onlookers had hoped for a look into a crystal ball of sorts which might point to the fed's policy stance ahead of septemb

senior level, to get their firsthand accounts of this, the madman theory is a throw back to richard nixon. richardously liked to keep folks off balance as well. he famously communicated to north vietnam in a shocking way, that he was just mad enough to launch a nuclear war against vietnam to try to gain advantage there. donald trump has not quite threatened nuclear war, but he's sought to make changes against china. he's just as likely to upset the relationship with an ally -- canada, mexico, as he's proven to be with china or iran. >> we're all pretty familiar with the president's international highlights. with his on and off breaux mans with kim jong un. his trade war with china, what didn't make the news. what will we be surprised to learn about when we read your new book? >> his own advisers were concerned about his decision making. so much so, at the height of tensions with north korea, the height of fire and fury, pentagon officials hesitated to give him military options because they were afraid he wassic taking this country on a path to war. it would be a very bloody war. that wasn't the th

richard in missouri. thank you for waiting. you're on with richard kuznick. >> caller: yeah, you know, this is fine and good. i was about 8 years old whenever they dropped the bomb. i remember the attitude in the united states, in school and everywhere. we had a gentleman from our little town, the death march. we was tickled to death they dropped that bomb and stopped the war. they told us they would stop the war. boy, we was happy it did. the other two american people, the kamikaze pilots and all this, we seen all that. nothing was too bad to do to the japanese at the time. i think mcarthur actually -- truman, he was in war himself. he seen what war was. i think mcarthur at one time wanted to drop the bomb in korea when it was getting hard up there. the bombs, it's an awful thing. if we didn't have bombs, would there be more war? we all know that everybody's got a bomb and we're all playing chicken with it. maybe it stopped by having bombs. i don't know. >> richard, thank you. peter kuznick? >> the american public was told exactly what richard was saying that the bombs ended the war and saved lives. susan rice might be our next vice president. she wrote in an op-ed in the "new york times" that truman saved her father's life. he was ready to deploy to the pacific and dropping the atomic bombs ended the war and forced japanese surrender. that's the myth. obama basically said the same thing when he was in hiroshima. he said world war ii reached its brutal end in hiroshima and nagasaki. 85% of the american people, according to the gallup poll in 1945 supported dropping the atomic bomb. a roper poll that came out shortly after in 1945 said that 22.7% of the american people wished the japanese had not surrendered so quickly so he could drop more atomic bombs on them. 30% in the southwest. so that was the attitude. was it racism? that might have been factored in a little bit. the japanese were brutal and ruthless. the death march in 1942 doesn't get kn

around and support families like richard's richard also wrote a touching, moving essay about his son and these experiences. and other families go to today.com. richard standing by for another check of the forecast on this tuesday morning what are we looking at, buddy? >> well, guys, we've got a lot of heat to talk about in different corners of the country. heat watch in the southwest. but again, these temperatures are not unusually warm about 5 to 10 degrees above the average for the southwest. but in the northeast and the mid-atlantic states, we are talking about temperatures and heat feels like temperatures that will be in triple digits. strong storms firing up where they've already seen severe weather over the last 24 hours with that derecho we were talking about. scattered showers and thunderstorms through the southeast into the gulf coast. beautiful weather in the pacific northwest. seattle today going to be sunny and 75 degrees lower humidity back through the great lakes with plenty of sunshine that's what's going on around the countr . >> here's a great view overlooking dublin. we're going to be seeing a mix of sun and clouds to start our mor

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richard receipt. nancy: richard, 48 -year-old handyman had done work in the smart home and other homes in the federal heights neighborhood. >> richardred to me by another contractor who had not used him but he seemed to be very competent. nancy: he admitted to possessing stolen items from the family that employed him, including the smarts. he was taken into custody on unrelated charges. >> what ed did not know was that richard reecy had a fairly extensive criminal history, mostly petty thefts and burglaries in that kind of thi thing. nancy: authorities began to believe reecy had been involved in more than just the disappearance of the smarts valuables. >> he was insistent it wasn't him it. nancy: two days after reecy was brought into custody the smarts polygraph results released. >> ed smarts allograft results came back clean. tom smarts polygraph came back include inclusive and then david came back clean as well. nancy: all eyes were on richard reecy. >> we still plead with that person or those people who have elizabeth to please give her up. [ thunder rumbles ] [ engine rumbling ] [ beeping ] [ engine revs ] uh, you know there's a

apparently out of concern that they try to leave the country lester >> richard engel tonight, richard, thanks. >>> with the covid pandemic still ralking it was announced joe biden will not travel to this month's democratic national convention, his rival, president trump, meantime is sending more mixed messages about mail-in voting geoff bennett is at the white house. >> reporter: tonight republicans and democrats scrambling to make final arrangements for their national convepgss, upended by the pandemic joe biden will no longer travel to milwaukee later this month to accept the democratic nomination for president. he'll now tlifr the speech from his home state of delaware. and president trump today said he'll probably deliver his speech accepting the gop nomination from the white house. >> if for some reason somebody had difficulty with it i could go someplace else the easiest, least expensive, and i think very beautiful would be live from the white house. >> reporter: it would mark yet another break in presidential norms. president trump's predecessors have historically drawn clear l

richard, richard, okay. >> deterring the violent crime and-- >> so many of these cities you've had either mayors of color or certainly democratic mayors for decades now. so i don't know how you can say that people don't have a voice when they're the ones voting in for these folks, but we'll talk about-- >> this is not about-- let's be clear, this is not about political party, this is about how-- >> the political party controls-- the political party conceivably, the political party does control the police department. richard, good conversation as always, we appreciate it and as you point out, there's a lot of different parts to this. >> good to see you, leland. leland: kristin. kristin: the pentagon is now forming a new task force to investigate ufo's. the task force is going to be led by the department of the navy and of course, this is the pentagon so it does come with a slight rebrand. mark meredith joins us live with my favorite story of the day. hey, mark. >> it's a lot of people's favorite story of the day. good afternoon, kristin. this one is getting a lot of attention. the pentagon says the new task force will essentially be investigating ufo sightings by military pilots and personnel and they're calling it the unidentified phenomena task force set up by the deputy secretary of defense and we just learned about it last night. it was started last week. we don't know how many people or resources are going to be involved, we do know what officials are going to be looking for. the pentagon says the mi

joining me now is a filipino political scientist and policy adviser, richard hadaria. richard, explain to us why it is the philippines stop the list of admiration for donald trump? >> the first element, the philippines was a former american colony and throughout the past six or seven decades the united states has been a pillar of the philippines national security. the post war leadership of the philippines essentially outsourced the philippines external security concerns to the united states and in fact time and again during one natural crisis after the other, including during the yolanda or hainan superfostorm, we saw america deploying thousands of troops to help. there were more filipinos to approve america's role in the world than americans themselves. that has been carried over into the trump administration. but to be clear, america's numbers went down under the trump administration. >> it mirrors a place like vietnam, where now there is greater support for the united states, because they want a positive role in the region. but what about trump personally? is trump persona

richard haass. richard, great to have you with us. some developing news this hour with the house deciding to investigate this. let's talk about what this means for the state department. current state department guidance actually bars officials from engaging in partisan politics. i'm curious to get your thoughts, is pompeo's speech here just break with longstanding ethical guidelines or, are there actually potential consequences? >> look, i'll leave it to the lawyers whether there's legal consequences. bottom line is, he shouldn't be doing it. and he knows that. he knows better. there's no reason to politicize american foreign policy. he doesn't have a personal capacity. he's the secretary of state of the united states. you don't want to do things like this because, it just opens up the question, is he speaking for the country, or is she speaking for the party or the president? does this mean if trump loses the election that american foreign policy totally ignores what he's been saying up until now, it just reduces a degree of politics and a degree of uncertainty that's inconsistent with the national security. >> so let's talk about that for a moment. national security and what this means. do you think pompeo's speech is likely to have any diplomatic or national security consequences? >> look, that's the recognition the move of the embassy there. i doubt a biden administration would change that. it looks to me an attempt to capitalize on it politically, it comes in the aftermath as you know of the agreement between israel and united arab emirates. this looks like the politicalization of foreign policy for partsan purposes. the world is a complicated enough place. without driving this kind of a wedge into the domestic debate here. again, he should be beyond that. you know when i grew up, ayman the expression that politics stopped at the borders' edge, now it seems to beginning there. >> let me ask you quickly, you brought up this point, what do you make of foreign policy being complicat complicated. what do you make of why the president moved the embassy? i did that for the evangelicals. then says they were more happy about that than the jewish people who obviously consider jerusalem as their eternal capital. >> that's twice-over offense. make a foreign policy decision for the support of this or that group and then comparing the reaction of one religious group to another religious group, that's just offensive, it's wrong, it's offensive on any and every level. >> before we go, richard, the situation in belarus, the opposition leader there spoke in front of european parliament committee today, she met with u.s. departmenty secretary of state, can building support with european and american allies ultimately help the opposition in that country oust president lukashenko? >> i think so, but the real question is going to be, whether the security forces are willing to back them. the sanctions should be very clear. but also there should be a message if the security forces desert him, as they should, then the sanctions would disappear, that europe and united states want to have good relations with belarus not just under this illegitimate leadership. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much for your time today, richard. >> thanks. >>> from the fda's emergency approval of convalescent plasma treatment for covid-19, now a push to do the same for a vaccine, authorities under pressure to make these decisions, that's the question. >>> you're looking live at rally in louisville, k