you were director of the c.i.a. in the final couple of years of that administration. if you put yourself back in that situation at the end of the administration looking forward to the post-cold war period, what did you think that world would look like and what did you think, what did you think at that time america's role in it would be or should be? >> most intelligence officers are pessimistic by nature. in fact, the "washington post" at one point called me the eoyore finding the lightning and darkest cloud. when i stood in my office at c.i.a., when i was director in december of 1992, i was really optimistic about the future. we, the united states dominated the world in a comprehensive way militarily, politically, econnormally, culturally, as i say in the book, unparalleled since probably the roman empire. we were actually making some progress on middle east peace after the demise after the iraq war, the first gulf war and we obviously have good relationship with russia at that point president reagan and president bush had both worked with gorbachev, we had reached o

the famous example i remember is the biological weapons analyst in the c.i.a.ho told deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz that she would cut off her finger if she was wrong about the assessment. she turned out to be wrong. though it is worth remembering that there were few countries at the time who were -- in saddam hussein's iraq. a think they were genuine mistakes. the other thing is that the intelligence community wasn't assessing that iraq already have them, it was that they were in the beginning stages of regaining them. the fear in the bush administration was that once they were sort of out-of-the-box, it would be difficult to put them back in. despite all that, it was a mistake. it was a hard call. host: mr. colby, take us back to china and the u.s. when it comes to nuclear weapons. here is a look at the numbers. the u.s. currently at 5800 nuclear weapons, 3800 active, 2000 unwitting dismantlement. china is estimated in the low to hundreds. can you put that 200 number in perspective if we are talking about an increase in china. to what extent are t

>> kennedy: the c.i.a. and the f.b.i. were not part of the obama administration. let's divorce those things. they have had too much power. this has cost people livelihood and the careers and that includes people carried out some of the acts. there is something wrong with the institutions. marie talking about a full plate. she has a plate full of distractions. they rant we talking about the f.b.i. director christopher wray? why aren't we talking about taking powers they have and limiting them so they can't affect the lives of americans regardless of the party in this way? i don't think we have gotten there. there are so many outstanding question and the idea there is no "there" there, there certainly. is it's naive and simplistic to say it's in the past and what we have got now is just fine. it's not. and we have to seek the truth from the institutions. that remain regardless of the administration and when presidents change. >> harris: so melissa, is the president right or wrong to be frustrated with the members of his own

. >> brennan: you've got nearly 40 years of intelligence at the c.i.a. and other agencies.nd you argued that election interference is a grave and persistent threat. th a of us as a country are talking about election security. you said it has diversionery and unhelpful and we're doing our enemies work for them. what do you mean by that? >> i think three things, margaret. the first is, i believe the most significant strategic threat to america is if we end up not believing in ourselves. and i've shared this with our president. almost everything else we can overcome. but stopping to believe in the way we govern and act would be devastating. and we know our adversaries are attacking our elections, there is little doubt on it. they continue to and they have in the past. and that is the bedrock of our democracy. but i think we're so focused on the elections themselves that we're forgetting that their intention is to achieve various interests. in the case of russia, it is to undermine democracy. in the case of china, it is to create an economic advantage, and down the line. and wh

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the famous example i remember is the biological weapons analyst in the c.i.a. who told deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz that she would cut off her finger if she was wrong about the assessment. she turned out to be wrong. though it is worth remembering that there were few countries at -- in saddamwere hussein's iraq. a think they were genuine mistakes. the other thing is that the intelligence community wasn't assessing that iraq already have them, it was that they were in the beginning stages of them.ing the fear in the bush administration was that once they were sort of out-of-the-box, it would be difficult to put them back in. despite all that, it was a mistake. call. a hard host: mr. colby, take us back to china and the u.s. when it comes to nuclear weapons. here is a look at the numbers. the u.s. currently at 5800 nuclear weapons, 3800 active, 2000 unwitting dismantlement. china is estimated in the low to hundreds. can you put that 200 number in perspective if we are talking about an increase in china. to what extent are they looking to grow out? g

conquer a sanctuary with our debt sow c.i.a.'s now domesticated they're doing it they're doing it in our own backyard in principle in the black population is being disenfranchised by the cia now so do you think this john perkins talk will what do you think will people come away after he does his talk because i mean you know his work i know his work that i think this might be big news to the black population exactly how it all works the banking how the banks are tied then with the cia and tied in with this and franchise in your word. circus we're i think what it does it does it pulls the trigger back in action and poses the truth and i think oftentimes in the black community we're not always able to get access to intellect and minds like job perkins and what we're our responsibility at the black watching something is actually make set knowledge useful and relevant and. let me again you've got me it's open space but me watching your show so in the many ways is about. the lights of knowledge base and be able to come up with the way

moreover the information that came out today reveals that former c.i.a. director john brennan allegedly knew of clinton's plans, briefed president obama on those plans in july 2016. it was the same month the fabe -- the f.b.i. opened up the cross fire hurricane investigation against president trump and his campaign or candidate trump and his campaign official. so what a day. the day that more evidence comes out that it was hillary clinton's campaign to de-- the d.n.c. and they were refusing to go along with the legal and fair election an then afterwards that whole conspiracy, the dossier was used to try to prevent the president from staying in office after he was sworn in and we're supposed to vote now to come after president trump and demand his be legal and lawful in leaving office, he just wants fairness in the vote and he'll follow the will of the people and it is a real shame that my friends across the aisle wouldn't allow an amendment so we could say to both sides follow the will of the people. have a proper transition of power. but no they wouldn't

i have sources in the white house, the c.i.a., the pentagon, the state department who will tell me what's going on, and all of the quotations from these officials are reported in depth ani am confident are absolutely true. >> woodruff: another issue that is ge bore the american people this year, bob woodward, of course, afterhe deh of george floyd, is the reckoning of a race. and you did talk to the l points about his view of race. you asked him if he believed there's systematic racism in is country. he said there's less than in m other countriesthan in many other countries. what dead you conclude about his view whent it ces to racism? >> well, i pushed him on that and i said what about this country? and he acknowledd and said, yes, there is, more or less, i'm sorry to say there is. but, more importantly, i flat-out asked him, i said, look, you are the son of white privilege. father was a judge in illinois, a lawyer, and i know -- i had this white privilege. and i asked trump, i said, so, in a sense, we're living in a cave, we're isolated, and do you understand, mrpresident,he pain and ae

into a terrible feud over the pow/mia's issue so he really accused bush, and particularly the c.i.a. in general, of being part of a drug trade in southeast asia. they were actually doing slush fund monies by selling and other opiates. >> we should interject george bush was head of the c.i.a. >> yeah, exactly. so it became pretty nasty between the two. there is no love lost between george herbert walker bush and ross perot but that's politics, and, you know, so the bigger question in 1992, as we're talking about this we just heard about this sort of populist campaign but remember, he put $13 here around 12 or million of his own money into the game. maybe more. he was also able to buy these tv time, half an hour television commercials. one half an hour infomercial of ross perot garnered about $10.5 million viewers so he was following no real rules. of course, george herbert walker bush had been head of the republican party and clinton was the darling of the democratic party. perot was filling this vital center and really was trying to champion the middle class every ay american people

." >> pelley: did the c.i.a. have a look at kim's letters? >> woodward: yes. >> pelley: and what did they make of them? >> woodward: they never figured out who was writing them. but the analysts concluded that they're masterpieces. because they are appealing to trump's sense of grandiosity. >> pelley: woodward's interviews took a sharp turn may 25, after george floyd was killed by minneapolis police officers. the "black lives matter" movement reignited. >> black lives matter! >> trump: i got it. >> woodward: do you think there is systematic or institutional racism in this country? >> trump: well, i think there is everywhere. i think probably less here than most places, or less here than many places. >> woodward: okay, but is it here, in a way that it has an impact on people's lives? >> trump: i think it is, and it's unfortunate. but i think it is. >> pelley: woodward asked mr. trump if a privileged life left him out of touch. >> woodward: and do you have any sense that that privilege has isolated and put you in a cave, to a certain extent-- a

working with the c.i.a., n.s.a.ential campaign in an effort to derail that presidential campaign and then worse once that president is elected, they restart it, redouble their efforts in order to essentially take away his ability to govern for the first 2 1/2 years of his administration. it is very unfortunate that people aren't paying more attention to this not just for the political ramifications but for the policy ramifications and what it means to have a responsible law enforcement agency in the federal government conducting itself as it should be by the law. >> trace: you heard former director comey say that he thinks the crossfire hurricane thing was done quite well and thinks they did a good job. >> that's just james comey covering himself. the fact of the matter is -- [inaudible] breaking up a little bit. the fact of the matter is just a few days ago they released information that russians knew about hillary clinton -- [inaudible] >> trace: have we lost him? yeah. we just lost ian prior there. dick durbin th

the famous example i remember is the biological weapons analyst in the c.i.a. told deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz that she would cut off her finger if she was wrong about the assessment. she turned out to be wrong. though it is worth remembering that there were few countries at -- in saddamwere hussein's iraq. a think they were genuine mistakes. the other thing is that the intelligence community wasn't assessing that iraq already have them, it was that they were in the beginning stages of them.ing the fear in the bush administration was that once they were sort of out-of-the-box, it would be difficult to put them back in. despite all that, it was a mistake. call. a hard host: mr. colby, take us back to china and the u.s. when it comes to nuclear weapons. here is a look at the numbers. the u.s. currently at 5800 nuclear weapons, 3800 active, 2000 unwitting dismantlement. china is estimated in the low to hundreds. can you put that 200 number in perspective if we are talking about an increase in china. to what extent are they looking to grow out? guest

elected president in their russia-russia-russia hop in conjunction with our intelligence services, the c.i.aand the fbi. it ended up in impeachment hearings and they didn't even pursue the matter, even though they said they had plenty of evidence. richard schiff said he had lots of evidence. they chose not to even pursue that issue. it was all a hoax. so the trust was broken at that time. never be established. we have a marxist democratic party that once they get in power, they will do things to stay in power just like all do,atorship governments just like all communist governments do, they will change the filibuster, they will make washington, d.c. a state, puerto rico a state, they will do away with the electoral college, they court.ack the supreme they will change the voting age to 60 and make 11 million immigrants citizens. 16changed the voting age to and they will make 11 million immigrants citizens. host: let's go to frank of the independent line, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i can't tell you how much i appreciate that open forum you guys provide for us. that we

even when you're planning a covert action essentially, c.i.a. was using the example of its predecessor the office of strategic services, sending agents into nazi occupied france. where the population did not like the nazis, and was willing to take risks to support these commandoes, these covert action operatives. cia remembered that, and remembered the positive aspects of the 1954 operation, and in your reading professor andrew points out that eisenhower and the cia ignored other relevant historical precedence. including the negative lessons of guatemala, guatemala barely succeeded even against a weekend government. they basically lost its nerve and allowed a success for covert action there. they ignored the lessons of the hike operation in indonesia where the people that we were helping in their military rebellion's turned out to be weak and ineffectual. i would add that they also ignored the lessons of many covert actions operations involving the insertion of ethnic asian teams trained by sea the cia in places like china and the ussr. these sh