jord jordan klepper has more.lated our campaign finance laws and protected our democracy since 1975. they can investigate political campaigns, audit donations and find campaigns that break established laws. but it's not always run so smoothly. back in my prepub es ent pre2020 baby skin, i talked to the, fec and learned that thanks to partisanship the three democrats and three republicans running the place were not getting shit done. >> the fec is enormously disfunctional. >> can you imagine working in a place like that? those poor bas tards. >> i'm the chair of the federal election commission. >> whoa. >> but that was a long time ago. i wanted to see how the fec was handling this year's election. so i sat down with the longest tenured fec commissioner ellen winethrop. >> the last time we talked the fec was having some issues. am i recalling that correctly? >> you are. the fec was having trouble coming to con sen shus-- consensus on important issues and we were sent to break down on party lines on splits. >> are yo

and jordan klepper would say, "i don't know, that just doesn't sound like it's real."d he would go, "that is so deep and profound. you are such a thought leader on race, and i really respect you on that." and she'd go like, "i just said that." and he'd go, "i don't think you did." because i think the problem here has always been maybe two-fold. one is the "but" people. and you see them-- they'll come out, you know, "what happened to george floyd was awful. we watched it. and no one condones that. but..." as soon as you hear "but," you know they're about to negate the reality of the situation. "he wasn't an angel." "yeah, but you know, the criminality in that neighborhood." one of the biggest problems-- i think the problem is two-fold. one is i think there's a large swath of the white population-- and you know this as well as i do-- that believes somehow that the inequality in the black community is on them. >> stephen: right, they're just not working hard enough. >> correct. that there is a-- it is a-- it is a problem of virtue and culture. if you just work-- my grandf