i even worked for mike dukakis! you go back a long way. but here's my question to you.te of oklahoma, where i dare say probably the state is going to vote for donald trump in 2020 come what may, do you see it as your role to try to speak to the people who vote for donald trump, as well as those who are adamant that the guy needs to be removed from the white house, or is your role reallyjust to maximise the efficiency of the vote from your community and other communities forjoe biden? is bridge—building any part of your vision for america? well, you know, honestly, i am a strategic campaigner. again, you tell the truth. you talk about what will move the lives of americans forward. the majority of americans. anybody. so, if people can't understand when somebody states a policy, that how it affects them, health care... how can health be politicised? well, you friggin' well see how it's politicised with covid here in america. so, again, i'm not... myjob is not to convince people who don't believe the sun comes up in the east. i'm not going to waste my time, you know, arguin

i even worked for mike dukakis! you go back a long way. but here's my question to you.f oklahoma, where i dare say probably the state is going to vote for donald trump in 2020 come what may, do you see it as your role to try to speak to the people who vote for donald trump, as well as those who are adamant that the guy needs to be removed from the white house, or is your role reallyjust to maximise the efficiency of the vote from your community and other communities forjoe biden? is bridge—building any part of your vision for america? well, you know, honestly, i am a strategic campaigner. again, you tell the truth. you talk about what will move the lives of americans forward. the majority of americans. anybody. so, if people can't understand when somebody states a policy, that how it affects them, health care... how can health be politicised? well, you friggin‘ well see how it's politicised with covid here in america. so, again, i'm not... myjob is not to convince people who don't believe the sun comes up in the east. i'm not going to waste my time, you know, arguing wi

i can remember when mike dukakis in september with a ten-point lead and all of a sudden wham, wham, whamell in the campaign with these ads appear the next thing you knew, he was not the confident miracle worker from massachusetts. so we have a long way to go. and i don't think the democrats have gone back with a tiger and think they can write it for their benefit and i'm not sure they can. these people are capable anytime, anywhere. >> laura: and the only thing come imagine if they have the justice department to terrorize people. now they have people at a bridge stopping cars and throwing roman candles, shooting them at federal officials. but imagine when they have the full force of the justice department to harass every american who does not go with their agenda. that is what people have to think about. victor, it is great to see you. thank you so much tonight. it isn't just local officials working overtime to downplay the lawlessness and violence plaguing the streets of portland. the media, they are joining in. they have a new group of heroes. >> they are calling themselves the wall of

indicative that ever since george mcgovern, presidential nominees they don't want to be called, as mike dukakis called, he is not another mcgovern when it comes to foreign affairs. at i am skeptical unless we have more time passed that we talk about war the way that george mcgovern did in 1972. >> we need to wrap up on that point. we want to thank the mcgovern center and our guests. we would also like to think it's got mortensen, and senator mcgovern's daughter, and senator mcgovern as well. scott, your final thoughts, if i could, since you are the presidential author, what is the legacy of george mcgovern? transformed the democratic party in a way that very few have ever transformed the political party. his food for peace, his humanitarian efforts, those may be his greatest legacy is. who knows how many are alive today because of george mcgovern. something i forgot to mention, bill clinton, his texas coordinator. he spawned a lot of young idealists who went into politics and made a name for himself. for a man who lost the presidential election, he had a lot of influence. >> thank you both. [ca