lisa: you agree with neil dutta that the u.s. looks strong enough and has enough momentum to not need an additional round of fiscal support. stephen: largely i would agree with what he said. it is interesting because everyone was saying the economy would fall off the table if the benefits expired, and it did not. the markets also were supposedly dependent on seeing that continued fiscal largess, and we did not get it in the markets have moved on. we do need some level of support. it would be nice to get some level of bonus benefits, it would be nice for companies to be able to go back into a second round of ppp loans, maybe something for state and local governments, but i do not think the economy, the economic recovery depends on it the way a lot of folks were thinking a few months ago. you agree with the administration that this is a self-sustaining recovery that does not necessarily require a fiscal aid package? yes.en: in the aggregate, the way democrats are looking at it is not long, either -- is not wrong, either, that even